Podcast: Reviewing 'Zero Dark Thirty' and 'Jack Reacher' and the Winter 2013 Box-Office Draft

Our second-to-last podcast of 2012

Rope of Silicon PodcastIt's our second-to-last podcast of 2012 as we have already begun preparations on next week's Holiday Spectacular, but before we get to that today we review Zero Dark Thirty and Jack Reacher while also holding our Winter 2013 Box-Office Draft.

We answer a couple of your questions, play some Over/Under, Buy or Sell and two Watch This or Watch That segments plus a fun Would You Rather provided by Disco Paco.

As always, I have broken down this episode on a minute-by-minute basis if you would like to skip ahead and below I have featured the information on how to download the podcast, find us on iTunes or merely just listen in your browser.

  • 00:00-01:34 - Introduction and the world hasn't ended
  • 1:35-3:26 - Show notes and random chatter
  • 3:27-10:28 - Brad watched Moonrise Kingdom and Zero Dark Thirty to help finalize his top ten
  • 10:29-11:48 - [Listener Question] Remember that story a few months ago that one of the fall's films was a complete disaster? Having seen all of them, what film do you think was being referred to? [Andrew J.S.]
  • 11:49-14:35 - [Listener Question] If the world actually did end today and you were given enough notice to fit in three films, which do you watch? Obviously, you wouldn't say goodbye to loved ones during this time since movies are more important. [G-Man]
  • 14:36-18:51 - Watch This / Watch That ["It's the End of the World As We Know It" Edition]:
    • Melancholia or Seeking a Friend for the End of the World
    • War of the Worlds (2005) or The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)
    • 28 Days Later or Dawn of the Dead
    • Zombieland or Shaun of the Dead
    • 12 Monkeys or Children of Men
  • 18:52-29:20 - Zero Dark Thirty review (read mine here)
  • 29:21-37:55 - Jack Reacher review (read mine here)
  • 37:56-49:26 - Golden Globe Odds
  • 49:27-1:03:20 - 2013 Winter Box Office Draft
  • 1:03:21-1:18:57 - Over / Under
    • 25 percent chance that Alex Cross actually gets its sequel [Corbin]
    • 49.9 percent that Laremy gets pushed too far, and becomes a traitor to his family [Corbin]
    • 2.5 sequels to the Justice League (including separate stories) [JN Films]
    • 1.5 more Taken sequels [JN Films]
    • 0.5 Oscar nominations for 'Hitchcock' [Xarnis]
    • 90 percent on RT for 'Zero Dark Thirty' [Xarnis]
    • 3 more films in the 'Paranormal Activity' franchise [Xarnis]
    • 70 percent Laremy will go to Cannes in 2013 [Cordia]
    • 1.5 Oscar wins for Zero Dark Thirty [Cordia]
    • 1 hours and 50 minutes running time for the final podcast of the year [Cordia]
    • 13 Percent drop in opening weekend of the second Hobbit film due to negative feedback about the first and criticism of 48fps (equates to approx $73 million) [G-Man]
  • 1:18:58-1:24:25 - Buy or Sell
    • Laremy does Voiception: the War Horse voice while doing the Bane voice while doing the Clint Eastwood voice
    • The podcast reaches 100 iTunes reviews before the end of the year
    • B- grade from either of you for Oz the Great and Powerful
    • 'The Intouchables' wins Best Foreign Language film at the Oscars
    • A sequel to 'Wreck-It Ralph' is made
    • 'The Lone Ranger' gets well received critically
    • Pixar's next film is good
    • Laremy watches more movies on the big screen in 2013 than in 2012
    • Daniel-Day Lewis doesn't sweep this awards season
  • 1:24:26-1:28:53 - Would You Rather: New Hollywood Career Edition [Disco Paco]
    • Would you rather have the career (the reputation and $ that comes with it) of:
      • Lucas or Coppola
      • Scorcese or Spielberg
      • Malick or Kubrick
  • 1:28:54-1:31:09 - Watch This or Watch That (Kubrick vs. Kubrick)
    • Dr. Strangelove vs. 2001: A Space Odyssey
    • Eyes Wide Shut vs. A Clockwork Orange
    • Barry Lyndon vs. Spartacus
    • Full Metal Jacket vs. Apocalypse Now
  • 1:31:09-1:33:39 - #GoodTweets
  • 1:33:40-1:36:38 - Previewing our Holiday Spectacular
  • 1:36:39-1:37:33 - Closing
  • 1:37:34-1:40:00 - Epilogue

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Fall 2012 Movie Box-Office Draft
Brad vs. Laremy

Laremy's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
The MasterSep 14$35m$18.8m-$68.6m
LooperSep 28$30m$166.3m$91.3m
Taken 2Oct 5$45m$364.8m$252.3m
Cloud AtlasOct 26$100m$65.6m-$184.3m
Wreck-It RalphNov 2$165m$227.2m-$185.2m
Twilight: Breaking Dawn - Part 2Nov 16$120m$778.2m$478.2m
Red DawnNov 21$65m$41.5m-$120.9m
Life of PiNov 21$120m$205m-$94.8m
Django UnchainedDec 25$0
Les MiserablesDec 25$61m$0
Brad's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
Resident Evil: RetributionSep 14$65m$221.8m$59.3m
ArgoOct 12$44.5m$161.3m$50.4m
Paranormal Activity 4Oct 19$5m$140.6m$128.1m
Alex CrossOct 19$23m$32.7m-$24.7m
FlightNov 2$31m$94.6m$17.1m
SkyfallNov 9$200m$952.9m$452.9m
LincolnNov 9$65m$110.2m-$52.2m
Anna KareninaNov 16$50m$25.8m-$99.1m
The Hobbit: An Unexpected JourneyDec 14$150m$244.7m-$130.2m
The ImpossibleDec 21$45m$56.4m-$56m

The Fall 2012 Movie Box-Office Draft competition involved both Brad and Laremy "drafting" ten films each in hopes of scoring the largest net total by taking a film's worldwide gross subtracting two-and-a-half-times the reported budget. The film must be released between the months of September-December 2012. The draft took place on August 28 during the RopeofSilicon Podcast which you can listen to right here.

Listed above is all the most recent data as of this post. Budgetary information is not necessarily accurate and will most likely not be accurate until closer to or after each film's release.

  • adu

    I gotta say Moonrise Kingdom for me was one of the most over-rated movies of 2012. I dont mind Wes Anderson, but this effort was totally forgettable. I dont think he will ever be able to top Fantastic Mr. Fox.

    As for Magic Mike, it could well have made my top 10 had it not been for the awful acting by Cody Horn. Her performance seriously hurt the overall movie for me; a film cannot be top 10 material if basics like acting can't fit the bill.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

      Interesting. When it comes to Anderson my favorite has always been The Life Aquatic (with everything else far behind).

      • adu

        Life Aquatic would be my second favorite Wes Anderson movie and like you, the rest are far behind.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/G-Man/ G-Man

      Yes - I'm very curious how many people liked the actual story of Moonrise Kingdom. I agree that the cinematography, art direction, colors, etc. were fantastic. But looking at the plot, I found it incredibly boring and rather uneventful. The characters are interesting and quirky, but I felt no connection with any of them.

    • http://www.criterion.com/my_criterion/27913-criterion10 Criterion10

      I loved Moonrise Kingdom when I first saw it back in the theaters, but it hasn't really stuck with me since. I just bought the Blu-Ray, so I'm interested to see how it'll hold up on a second viewing.

      I liked Magic Mike much more than I expected to, and I'd be interested to see it again, as it may actually be one of the few films this year that I can say I really liked.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Aleonardis/ Aleonardis

      Moonrise is weird for me. At points it's hilarious. I mean, the soundbite at the end of the podcast out of context slays me. It's just that the Anderson we saw on Fox is the exact same Anderson here. Which is fine. A little more cute than normal Anderson, but sophisticated still. It's just that without the animation, it makes the film a little slight for some reason. Whereas Fox felt GIANT while I knew it was microscopic. I'm still perplexed by the movie. And it's not that I don't like it either. I gave it a B-

  • Brett McNeill

    SOOOOO happy you address shaky-cam in movies. I absolutely hate it and it completely takes me out of the movie (unless the characters are holding the camera). I wish film makers would learn to get a damn tripod/dolly.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

      If it's done well (Greengrass) I think it can significantly enhance the experience and make you feel as if you're right in the action.

      • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Xarnis/ Xarnis

        I too was going to use Greengrass as an example for good shakycam. I love all of his movies (aside from 'Green Zone') which was mediocre.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Andrew13/ Andrew13

    Hey GregDinskisk, are you interested in a box office rematch? If so, would you want to do what Brad and Laremy did and stick to January/February releases, or make it a Winter/Spring draft and cover films from January through the end of April?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/G-Man/ G-Man

    SPOILER - Zero Dark Thirty - SPOILER:

    Interesting how you guys enjoyed Jason Clarke's character. That was my one criticism of the film. He was such a prominent character in the first half, and then he kind of falls completely out of the picture when things start to get interesting, except for the short trip to Kuwait.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/kylejames182/ kyle coley

    what spring 2013?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Xarnis/ Xarnis

    [Listener Question] Having seen all of the major Best Picture candidates, which film do you want to win?

    I don't have much this week...

    B+ CinemaScore for 'Promised Land' [Xarnis]
    C- from you guys for 'A Good Day To Die Hard' [Xarnis]
    12 years until a foreign language film wins Best Picture [Xarnis]
    3.5 Oscar wins for 'Argo'

    Buy or Sell
    Brad is wrong and Les Miserables wins Best Picture-Comedy or Musical at the Golden Globes
    There is Best Director/Best Picture split at the Oscars
    Naomi Watts is nominated for Best actress in the 2013 Oscars

    Watch This or Watch That... Christmas Edition
    'National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation' or 'Home Alone'
    'Miracle on 34th Street' or 'It's A Wonderful Life'
    'A Chrsitmas Story' or 'Elf'
    'Die Hard' or 'Gremlins'

  • JN Films

    Watch This or Watch That...Spielberg Edition [JN Films]
    'Tin Tin' or 'War Horse'
    'Saving Private Ryan' or 'Schindler's List'
    'E.T.' or 'Close Encounters'
    'Raiders of the Lost Arc' or 'Lincoln'
    'Crystal Skull' or 'War of the Worlds'

    Buy or Sell
    'Lincoln' is in Spielberg's Top 4 [JN Films]
    'X-Men: Days of Future's Past' will be the last X-Men movie starring Michael Fassbender [JN Films]

    1.5 years after 'X-Men: Days of Future's Past' there will be another X-Men [JN Films]
    3.5 years till a Mass Effect movie [JN Films]
    3.5 Oscar nominations for 'Prometheus' [JN Films]
    15 years till 'Prometheus' is considered a Sci-Fi classic [JN Films]
    B+ rating by you guys for new 'Mad Max' [JN Films]
    5 years till Tom Hardy wins a Oscar [JN Films]
    7 Oscar noms for 'Wolf of Wall Street' in 2014 [JN Films]
    12.5 years till 'Super 8' is considered a classic [JN Films]
    B+ rating by you guys for Man of Steel [JN Films]

  • http://timeforafilm.com Alex Thomas

    Oh Brad, so glad to hear Seeking a Friend for the end of the World is going to be on your worst list. It's my worst film of the year.

    Laremy, the $1.16 means you get $116 back from the $100 bet, just a $16 profit, I have no idea what the fractional odds are :) Enjoyed the discussion, jumped on Silver Linings and of course Tommy Lee.

    Australia in February Laremy, awesome. Best time of the year, it will be hot hot hot!

  • Justin

    Brad where do you see RoS in 10 years? Or a better question is where do you think online film journalism will be in 10 years? More of the same or continually getting worse? [Justin]


    B&L will crossover with 2.5 podcasts in 2013 (Filmdrunk is a given, could Criterion Cast be a possibility?) [Justin]

    RoS will get an Instagram account in 2013 to document Cannes [Justin]

    One of Brad or Laremy's top 10 in 2013 will come out in January/Febuary [Justin]

    "I hate minorities!!"


    Thanks for another year dudes! It's been fun. :)

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/maja/ maja

    Brad & Laremy, just wanted to wish you guys a happy Christmas and thanks for an amazing year of podcasts!

    • http://www.theoriolereport.com Bob Phelan

      Agreed. This and Film Junk are easily the two best movie podcasts available. (1 and 1A, they both do different things)

      Merry Christmas gentlemen.

  • http://www.theoriolereport.com Bob Phelan

    A big reason I have a lot of respect for film critics, and I'm wondering if you ever felt this way, is that while I would consider myself a reasonably intelligent, well spoken person I have a hard time explaining why I do or do not like a movie. It more just a gut feeling for me and I just know. Either a movie draws me in completely or not. I find this very frustrating because I love movies so much I wish I was better versed in them.

    Laremy, did you notice Davindra really liked Lincoln? "Tough rocks pal"

    Over/under - 3 years before a new "end of the world" date emerges

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DArtagnan/ DArtagnan

    Watch this/Watch that (Animation vs Live action)

    - Robin Hood (Disney) or The Adventures of Robin Hood (Errol Flynn)
    - The Prince of Egypt or The Ten Commandments
    - Beauty and the Beast (Disney) or La Belle et la Bete (Jean Cocteau)
    - Tarzan (Disney) or Tarzan, the Ape Man (Weissmuller)

  • http://hypethemovies.wordpress.com Jordan B.

    Wow.. I'm surprised at how few of the movies mentioned and drafted in the box office draft I have actually heard of. It's gonna be an interesting winter!

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/the%20colleague/ the colleague

    Boom, a 100! Happy holidays, guys. :)

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Aleonardis/ Aleonardis

    January and February are looking like the bane of my existence as far as movies go...

    -Have you ever thought of gifting Screeners?

    -2.5 nominations for The Impossible #BradLovesIt [Aleonardis]
    -1.5 wins for Silver Linings #NoTechnicals [Aleonardis]
    -43.5. The number of presents Brad has under the christmas tree. I mean, considering he's a billionaire and all. #BradHasTheDeedToTheMansionInTheQueenOfVersailles [Aleonardis]

    -A three hour podcast...Ever.

    Would You Rather?
    -Fake Tree or Real
    -Be a truly happy houseless guy or douchey billionaire

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Aleonardis/ Aleonardis

      Also, Happy Holidays and thanks for the year. Really fantastic reporting and the sites as great as it's ever been! #FirstStopOnMyInternetSchedule

  • http://kaisaccofilm.tumblr.com/ Kai Sacco

    [Listener Question] In light of the recent massacre in Connecticut, will uneasiness toward Jack Reacher's opening scene trump positive word-of-mouth and hurt its second weekend box office? [Kai Sacco]