Podcast: Reviewing 'The Last Stand,' 'Broken City' and 'Mama', Oscar Party Eats and Audio Difficulties

This episode may actually be unlistenable

Rope of Silicon PodcastI will begin with one quick note, the audio quality of today's podcast will be lacking due to the fact my side of the conversation was recorded through the microphone on my computer monitor as opposed to my headset. Therefore my audio can tend to fade away in some spots and ambient noise (such as typing and mouse clicks) is more audible. I'm sorry about this, I tried to fix it as best I could, but in some spots you can hardly hear me at all. We apologize.

With that out of the way, today we quickly run through reviews of The Last Stand, Broken City and Mama before exploring Oscar talk, Over/Unders, Buy or Sells, Would You Rathers and several of your questions. All-in-all I think it is a pretty good episode, but unfortunately the audio problems may make it hard to listen to.

As always, I have broken down this episode on a minute-by-minute basis if you would like to skip ahead and below I have featured the information on how to download the podcast, find us on iTunes or merely just listen in your browser.

  • 00:00-00:30 - Special Note
  • 00:31-2:19 - Introduction
  • 2:20-3:54 - Has Laremy finised watching Les Miserables?
  • 3:55-12:36 - Some random bits including talk of Paul Schrader and Guillermo del Toro
  • 12:37-15:06 - [Listener Question] John Campea at AMC said that people don't want to direct Star Wars because of all the potential backlash from the fans. What say you guys? All money aside, if you were an established director, would you be willing to do it? If you were an up-and-coming director (i.e. Rian Johnson)? [G-Man]
  • 15:07-22:54 - Box-Office Challenge (see chart below)
  • 22:55-26:00 - Broken City Review (read Laremy's here)
  • 26:01-30:06 - The Last Stand Review (read mine here)
  • 30:07-32:27 - Mama Review (read mine here)
  • 32:26-36:50 - [Listener Question] Who do you think will be considered the great actresses of our time 50 years from now? -- and -- Gregory Peck, and James Stewart are considered some of the Best Actors of their time. Who would you say are the Actors that, 50 years from now, will be seen as the greatest actors of this time. [Xarnis]
  • 36:51-44:25 - [Listener Question] My friend and I are throwing an Oscar party and we'd like to have food based on all 9 Best Picture nominees. [Joe]
  • 44:26-47:49 - [Listener Question] Do you feel like Argo could have a better chance of winning Best Picture now, due to the Affleck snub? Will voters, seeing the large support he (and the film) has now, try to rectify the situation by awarding him BP? [Artorious]
  • 47:50-49:47 - [Listener Question] What about a split between Lawrence and Chastain? [Criterion10]
  • 49:48-53:00 - [Listener Question] What do critics mean when they mention that a certain film is getting an "Oscar Push" from its producer? Is the producer actually calling Academy voters to lobby for votes? And, if so, why are producers like Harvey Weinstein so successful at convincing voters to cast ballots for his movies? [Jon Sullivan]
  • 53:01-56:09 - [Listener Question] Who will be the second female to win best director at the Oscars? [Will-E]
  • 56:10-1:02:30 - Over / Under
    • 1.5 times Seth MacFarlane does the Stewie voice hosting the Oscars [TJ]
    • $100 million worldwide for the last stand [Cordia]
    • 60 percent that someone gets pregnant while listening to your podcast [JN Films]
    • 3.5 years till Ryan Gosling wins a Oscar [JN Films]
    • 2.5 more directors pass on the Star Wars VII directing position until someone else takes the job. [Jake17]
    • 0.5 more Oscars for DDL (after he gets the inevitable Lincoln one) and 1.5 more Oscar noms. [Fox]
    • 8 years until Zack Snyder wins an Oscar [Xarnis]
    • 500 comments on The Oscar Live Blog [Xarnis]
    • 3 years until PTA makes his next film. [Corbin]
    • 30 years before a movie based on a purely kids book gets nominated for Best Picture. [Corbin]
  • 1:02:31-1:10:52 - Buy or Sell
    • The Great Gatsby isn't an uncontrollable mess of a film
    • Pacific Rim is as bad as the crappy trailers are [Corbin]
    • Another actor wins his third Best Actor Oscar, after Day-Lewis wins this year. (In the next 15 years) [Xarnis]
    • 2001: A Space Odyssey is remade in the nest 25 years [Xarnis]
    • Kathryn Bigelow wins another Best Director Oscar [Xarnis]
    • Rian Johnson follows a similar career path as Quentin Tarantion (fantastic writing, exploring different genres, use of same actors) [Hamza]
    • Spike Lee's Oldboy turns out to be horrible [Hamza]
    • If Katheryn Bigelow had not already won, she would be nominated this year
    • Quentin Tarantino will never win the Best Director Oscar
    • Another current young actor will have an unexpected Ben Affleckian rise to successful directing. [Fox]
    • If Lincoln wins SAG best ensemble it wins Best Picture [Cordia]
    • Daniel Day-Lewis next film will be a movie that takes place in present time [Cordia]
    • Within 30 years a foreign language film will win best picture [Cordia]
    • Both WGA and DGA winners will not be the same as the winners at the oscars [Cordia]
    • The Acadamy makes it up to Affleck and Argo wins Best Picture [TJ]
    • The Rope of Silicon Awards are live blogged
  • 1:10:53-1:17:08 - Would You Rather (supplied by the colleague):
    • ...watch a very good fictional movie or watch a middling movie based on an actual event
    • ...wade through 25 Over/Unders or 25 Buy/Sells
    • ...watch 2 hours worth of commercials in the comfort of your own home or watch an hours worth of trailers in the cinema
    • ...watch a very broad comedy alone in a theater or watch a movie that requires your complete attention in the company of your family
    • ...be a Hollywood accountant asked to do some "creative accounting" on a movie that looks like it's going to be a loser or be in charge of marketing a movie that, at least on the surface, looks like a tough sell (i.e. Inception)
    • ...be a comedic actor who hasn't had a hit movie for a long time and is planning a comeback or the exact same thing, but as a dramatic actor
    • ...know the names of people who comprise the MPAA ratings panel or the names of AMPAS members who voted for Best Picture winner
  • 1:17:09-1:19:09 - #GoodTweets
  • 1:19:10-1:21:55 - Random bits
  • 1:21:54-1:32:25 - [Listener Question] Given there are movies that are unexpected surprises, shouldn't all movies be given a chance, and be viewed at least once? Even if you aren't anticipating that one specific movie, shouldn't it at least be given a shot, barring that it is an unexpected surprise? [Corbin]
  • 1:32:26-1:33:04 - [Listener Question] Do you think Peter Jackson will retool Hobbit 2 and 3 due to, what I considered, a significant drop in general (AKA non-Tolkien/Jackson Fan boys) viewer appreciation for his first Hobbit film? [Wahoo]
  • 1:33:05-1:36:24 - [Listener Question] Brad, after you saw Inglorious Basterds, you made a list of your favourite Tarantino characters, with Aldo Rain and Hans Landa both making the list. I'm curious, due to how much you clearly loved Django, whether any of the characters from this film would make your list now. [Hamza]
  • 1:36:25-1:45:00 - Closing

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Fall 2012 Movie Box-Office Draft
Brad vs. Laremy

Laremy's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
The MasterSep 14$35m$20.5m-$66.9m
LooperSep 28$30m$166.5m$91.5m
Taken 2Oct 5$45m$371.5m$259m
Cloud AtlasOct 26$100m$71.1m-$178.8m
Wreck-It RalphNov 2$165m$336.3m-$76.1m
Twilight: Breaking Dawn - Part 2Nov 16$120m$822.8m$522.8m
Red DawnNov 21$65m$44m-$118.4m
Life of PiNov 21$120m$451.9m$151.9m
Django UnchainedDec 25$100m$129m-$120.9m
Les MiserablesDec 25$61m$236.7m$84.2m
Brad's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
Resident Evil: RetributionSep 14$65m$221.8m$59.3m
ArgoOct 12$44.5m$181.5m$70.3m
Paranormal Activity 4Oct 19$5m$140.7m$128.2m
Alex CrossOct 19$23m$32.8m-$24.6m
FlightNov 2$31m$97.3m$19.8m
SkyfallNov 9$200m$1.033b$533.2m
LincolnNov 9$65m$154.5m-$7.9m
Anna KareninaNov 16$50m$43.4m-$81.5m
The Hobbit: An Unexpected JourneyDec 14$150m$888.3m$513.3m
The ImpossibleDec 21$45m$103m-$9.4m

The Fall 2012 Movie Box-Office Draft competition involved both Brad and Laremy "drafting" ten films each in hopes of scoring the largest net total by taking a film's worldwide gross subtracting two-and-a-half-times the reported budget. The film must be released between the months of September-December 2012. The draft took place on August 28 during the RopeofSilicon Podcast which you can listen to right here.

Listed above is all the most recent data as of this post. Budgetary information is not necessarily accurate and will most likely not be accurate until closer to or after each film's release.

  • Justin Golding

    I think for the future, every box-office challenge should include four months. This one should have included January through April and then May through August and finally September through December. There's just so many god awful movies in January and February while March and April have potential money makers in Oblivion, Oz, and G.I. Joe Retaliation.

    Anyway, just a suggestion. Love the podcast

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/seanfast/ Sean Fast

    You mean this free thing I get enjoyment out of twice a week every other week is subpar today?! This is an outrage! How dare you drop to a standard below that which I've come to expect! I pay zero dollars TWICE a week for this and now you make me suffer through almost TWO HOURS of computer monitor microphone recorded CRAP. I don't download and listen to these for my health BRADLEY. The LEAST you could do while spending all that time recording and editing and producing a two hour podcast twice a week for free is make it BEARABLE to listen to! I'm an important person and my lifestyle does not have time to be bothered with poorly recorded free podcasts. I expect all free things I consume to be perfect everytime. In the future, IF I decide to continue to follow this podcast which has so clearly let me down, it would BE NICE if you could DO A GOOD RESEARCH on how microphones work and when you find a decent mic, do me (and Laremy) a favor and HIT RECORD on it.



    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      Made my day... :)

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DavidG/ David Gaillardetz

      It's always nice to have guys like this to counterbalance the "chicken-asses" (see George from the Golden Globes liveblog) who moan and complain over something you all take hours out of your week t to share with us

  • Bruce

    Brad, I noticed you switched brave to front-runner for Best Animated feature. Really? Also, you have Silver Linings Playbook at #1 for Best Picture. I'm not saying your prediction is bad but what is your main reason for this prediction that it will beat the powerhouse of Lincoln. Great reviews, Spielberg movie, Best Actor lock. Great podcast.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      I wrote about my latest Oscar predictions update here.

  • Bruce

    Ok. I see what you mean but just as Lincoln has not been winning much neither has Silver Linings. All it's awards have been in comedy categories and Les Mis beat it out for best picture Comedy/Musical at the globes. Just wonring, would you be routing for that to win? Also, you still do not explain the brave change.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

    Can't believe you guys didn't go with white cake from Django Unchained. That was a layup.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      Argh! You're right, I got the cotton candy idea in my mind and wasn't even trying to think back to what food was in the film. Good call.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS


      50 years before someone thanks the B&L podcast in their Oscar acceptance speech [AS]

  • https://twitter.com/TooMuchHamza Hamza Zain

    In terms of the actor/actress question, what about Kate Winslet, George Clooney and Brad Pitt? I think Winslet is a layup, but what about the other two?

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      I considered Pitt, because I love him as an actor, but will he be remembered as a great? As for Winselt, I guess she's been off the radar lately and she just slipped our minds, but yeah, she's definitely a contender.

      • jay bob

        I think Brad Pitt is one of the modern greats. Definitely. You should check out his performance in 12 Monkeys The stuff that he does in that film puts him, at least to me, head and shoulders above most actors, even Matt Damon.. He's a very underrated actor. As far as actresses, why about Nicole Kidman?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Snicket/ Justin

    Podcast was great! Slight audio hiccup was not a problem.

    Would you rather...

    Watch a highly anticipated film the night of release in a packed theatre, OR watch a highly anticipated film a week after release in a theatre all by yourself. [Justin]

    (And you don't have to watch this film for a review)

    Would you rather pee your pants while speaking in a room full of your peers, OR throw up while making out with someone? [Justin]

    Would you rather interview Jessica Chastain for 5 minutes on the red carpet or interview a Hunger Games star that nobody cares about for a half hour? [Justin]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DArtagnan/ DArtagnan

    Amazing Bane impersonation, Brad! :-)

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DavidG/ David Gaillardetz

    I was wondering what you all think if Daniel Day-Lewis and the future impact or perception he will have. I notice you didn't mention him as someone that will be considered one of the "greats," but I wasn't sure if he was just too old to fit into the category or if you don't think he will have that lasting impression. To me, his work seems transcendent at times, but it is so hard to predict what future generations will think.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DavidG/ David Gaillardetz

    Your family sounds just like mine...

  • Travis

    Buy or Sell:

    Ben Affleck is a write in Best Director winner (I think it is possible, just horribly unlikely)

    I will come back with my much better second one when I remember it (I need to write things down like Laremy)

    • Travis

      I remember it now-not better, but funnier:

      Buy or Sell
      Jennifer Lawrence thanks Bill EngvAll in her Oscar speech (he gave her her first big role before Winter's Bone)

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Corbin/ Corbin

    Listener Question: Which title is better: Taken 2, or Twoken? [Corbin]

    Over Unders:
    50 more times this year that the amazing coffee maker is mentioned. [Corbin]
    9.5 times either of you facepalm during Trans4mers. [Corbin]
    $750 million worldwide for Thor 2. [Corbin]
    6.5 years until Mark Wahlberg wins an Oscar. [Corbin]

    Buy Sells:
    Zack Snyder follows in M. Night Shyamalan's career path. [Corbin]
    Paul W.S. Anderson tries to make a good movie. [Corbin]
    Milla Jocovich ever gets nominated for an Oscar. [Corbin]

  • JN Films

    0.5 more oscar noms for Robert Downey Jr. (Chaplin was the previous one) [JN Films]
    15 years till a superhero movie gets a best picture nom [JN Films]
    15 years till Seth MacFarlene gets a oscar nom (Directing, Producing, Writing, Acting, etc.) [JN Films]
    50% chance that Casey Affleck will be in Ben's next film [JN Films]
    5 DUI's for Laremy in his life [JN Films]
    60% chance that The Place Beyond the Pines is better then Blue Valentine [JN Films]
    2.5 oscar noms for The Place Beyond the Pines [JN Films]
    10 podcasts till you applaud JN Films, Xarnis, or As [JN Films]
    5 years till Adam Sandler is in a movie that is fresh on Rotten Tomatoes [JN Films]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/seanfast/ Sean Fast

    "Leave me alone! Hit play!"

    lmao classic

  • Jaylav3205

    Been listening to your podcast for about a month now and so far I'm really enjoying it. It's almost like me and one of my friends are just sitting down having a conversation about the movies we see except y'all actually get paid to do this for a living.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JonSullivan/ Jon Sullivan

    Listener Question:

    On a recent podcast, the two of you mentioned that you were expecting 'Thor 2' to be a disaster. Has there been chatter about production not going well? I enjoyed the first one quite a bit, and was looking forward to the sequel.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JonSullivan/ Jon Sullivan

      Simply re-posting my comment with my name blocked in it.

      Listener Question:

      On a recent podcast, the two of you mentioned that you were expecting 'Thor 2' to be a disaster. Has there been chatter about production not going well? I enjoyed the first one quite a bit, and was looking forward to the sequel. [Jon Sullivan]

  • http://www.scifiblock.com John D.

    Watch This/That: January Movie Edition (supplied by John D.)
    -Tooth Fairy VS Paul Blart: Mall Cop
    -Bride Wars VS The Dilemma
    -Dr. Strangelove VS Blood Simple
    -Varsity Blues VS Orange County
    -Cloverfield VS From Dusk Til Dawn
    ...and the penultimate.. The Grey VS Taken

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Xarnis/ Xarnis

    That final scene in Les Miserables was pretty great

    It would be hilarious if James Spader went as W.N. Bilbo to get Oscar votes for Lincoln

    [Listener Question]
    With all the controversy surrounding Zero Dark Thirty, do you think some Directors personally create controversy to give their film more attention?

    2.5 more films for Paul Schrader [Xarnis]
    40% chance that The Canyons is good [Xarnis]
    5 more Star Wars films (including spin-offs) [Xarnis]
    3 more films in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise [Xarnis]
    6 more films for Arnold Schwartsenegger [Xarnis]
    B+ CinemaScore for A Good Day to Die Hard [Xarnis]
    15 years until Ridley Scott wins a Best Director Oscar [Xarnis]

    Buy or sell
    Paul Schrader wins an Oscar [Xarnis]
    Hellboy III is made [Xarnis]
    The new Star Wars film is nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars [Xarnis]
    There Will Be Blood is remade [Xarnis]
    Ben Affleck is nominated for Best Director for his next film, even if the response to the film is just good (C+ range) [Xarnis]
    Denzel Washington wins a second Best Actor Oscar (He has one Best Actor and one Best Supporting) [Xarnis]
    Ender's Game is nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars [Xarnis]

    Watch This or Watch That... Stanley Kubrick Edition
    A Clockwork Orange or The Shining
    Spartacus or Barry Lyndon
    Paths of Glory or Fear and Desire
    Eyes Wide Shut or Lolita
    2001: A Space Odyssey or Dr. Strangelove

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Xarnis/ Xarnis

    Another Question:
    If the Academy only nominated 5 films for Best Picture this year (2013 Oscars), what would they be?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/the%20colleague/ the colleague

    Question for Brad: with Belmondo as your avatar and you mentioning before enjoying movies of French New Wave, was just wondering which came first for you: Mr. Jean-Paul or La Nouvelle Vague?

    Good Tweet for Laremy: As far as 2012 crossovers go, 'Lincoln' beats 'The Avengers'. #TwoVotesToFreeThemAll #GoodTweets

    And a couple of Over/Unders:
    - B+ CinemaScore for Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters [the colleague]
    - 2 years, length of DiCaprio's "long, long break" [the colleague]

  • JN Films

    50% that Dane DeHaan gets a Oscar nom in the next 2 years [JN Films]

  • http://Twitter.com/sandovaldrew drew sandoval

    Here is a question relating to your complaints about Girls, with it being about a bunch of spoiled brats talking about doing something but never actually doing anything...

    Do you think the show would be better if you watched one episode a week rather than all at once? I find that there are very few shows that hold up to marathon screenings. In particular, i could only make it though half the first season of 24, which i thought was really good for a while, and then suddenly i began to realize that each episode had the exact same structure, with only different details thrown in each episode to make it feel continuous. This feeling also occured when I went back to rewatched a couple X-Files a few years ago. How many series are really meant to be watched & can hold up on back-to-back-to-back viewings (and are you doing the show a dis-service to watch it that way)?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AndrewJ.S./ Andrew J.S.

    Over/Under: .5 more successful movies in Arnold Schwarzenegger's career

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/seanfast/ Sean Fast

    Hey Laremy,

    Don't know if you watch Real Time with Bill Maher, but he basically used your same argument about torture on the show, that you mentioned during the Zero Dark Thirty discussion. He said the same things you did about how it's not a question of how effective it is, it's a question of 'are we a country that tortures or not' kinda thing. Don't know if you caught it, but maybe he listens to the podcast! He totally stole your intelligent argument.

    I should add I've stolen it too and used it 2 or 3 times in debates at work lol.

    • http://www.film.com/author/laremy-legel Laremy Legel

      I do watch his show, and I was definitely yelling "YES!!" at the television. Getting bogged down in an efficacy argument is worthless, because both sides think their completely in the right. But a moral argument about torture? The numbers swing dramatically, because even those who think it works aren't sold on it being the right thing to do. In the moral argument, I've got a couple thousand years of recorded history on my side.

      Anyway, thought it was a great season premiere for him, I loved when Rula Jebreal basically said "who care?" about the whole Te'o nonsense.

  • JN Films

    Buy or Sell
    Man of Steel will get a cinematography oscar nom

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/T-1000/ TJ

    Very entertaining podcast guys! "You all ready to see Django Unchained?! Ahhhh! Leave me alone! Hit Play!"

    Going with your suggestion, I bring you...

    B&L Oddsmakers: -% chance Silver Lingings Playbook wins Best Picture [TJ]
    -% Robert Di Niro wins best supporting actor over the rest of the nominees [TJ]
    -% chance Affleck's next project isn't as good as Argo but still earns him a Best Director nom at next year's Oscars [TJ]

    Buy or Sell: Arnold Schwarzenegger's next movie will be a straight to DVD release [TJ]
    Tom Hanks becomes the next in line to win three Best Actor Oscars [TJ]

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/T-1000/ TJ

      Should clarify that last Oddsmaker: -% chance Affleck's next project isn't as good as Argo but still earns him a Best Director nom [TJ]

  • http://hypethemovies.wordpress.com Jordan B.


    Do you guys believe in the idea that recent films shouldn't find their way onto a person's best/favorite films list? For instance, having seen Midnight In Paris and Silver Linings Playbook multiple times each, I would certainly place them on my own list, and quite high I might add. But others think recent films haven't had enough time to truly sink in. What say you, Brad and Laremy? [Jordan B.]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Cordia/ Cordia

    When i look at the past best picture winners, it seems to me that American Beauty is a very strange winner, it just doesn't seem like a movie the Academy would give best picture to. Has the Academy changed, are there more older people now than in 2000? and what movies do you think were very odd winners, and i don't mean bad movies but movies you wouldn't think the Academy would go for


    100 million total domestic for SLP currently around 55[Cordia]
    1.5 SAG wins for Silver Linings Playbook [Cordia]
    1.5 years that Leonardo Dicaprio will not act [Cordia]
    7.5% of the academy puts Django at #1 on their ballot [Cordia]
    2.5 more collaborations between PSH and PTA [Cordia]
    2.5 of Brad's top 10 most anticipated movies will be in his top 10 at the end of the year there were 2 in 2012[Cordia]

    Martin Scorsese makes Silence after Wolf of Wall Street [Cordia]
    Kristen Stewart quits acting in 5 years[Cordia]
    Zero Dark thirty wins zero oscars [Cordia]

  • Jeff

    When discussing Kathryn Bigelow, Laremy said the Academy has been institutionally sexist for 80 years. Laremy, can you clarify - do you mean there's a specific instance where a female director merited the Best Direction Oscar but didn't win? Because I can't think of one - until this year. Or are you speaking of something else?

  • Jeff

    Also, I'm confused by the mixed message regarding "group-think" of Academy voters. You mention that voters don't all sit in a room together and agree on how to vote, but then almost all of your Oscar prognostication seems to be based on group-think (DeNiro sounds good), lemming behavior (Silver Linings Playbook is hot right now), collective narratives (no need to give Bigelow a second Oscar), etc. Is it not possible that a voter votes based on personal opinion? Similarly, regarding the Weinstein discussion - if I'm an Academy voter and think Silver Linings Playbook is the 6th best movie of the year, why would I vote it 2nd just because Weinstein called me? I have no idea how or why these voters vote, but I'm even more confused now. Do these voters have as little integrity as all that?

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      Hey Jeff, we already recorded today's podcast, but I will be sure and save this question and we'll get to it on Friday.