Podcast: Reviewing 'The Croods' and 'Olympus Has Fallen', New DVDs and Blu-rays and Much More

Plus a lot of 'Wolf of Wall Street' chatter somehow

Rope of Silicon PodcastWe took last Friday off, but we are back with our regularly scheduled Tuesday episode of the RopeofSilicon podcast and unlike most Tuesdays, this week we have a couple of reviews having missed the opportunity to talk about The Croods and Olympus Has Fallen. Additionally we have new DVDs and Blu-rays to discuss, the Box Office Challenge, your questions and voicemails, games and more.

Also, one quick side note, this coming Friday's podcast may or may not happen. I will be out of town and will do what I can to get it done, but we may have to go one more Friday without a podcast.

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  • 00:00-00:51 - Introduction
  • 00:52-1:55 - Our NCAA brackets
  • 1:56-3:55 - Show notes
  • 3:56-5:35 - Anna asks, "Why all the hate on Babel Laremy?"
  • 5:36-6:22 - #GoodTweet Music
  • 6:23-13:41 - Box-Office Challenge Update (chart below)
  • 13:42-23:21 - DVDs and Blu-rays
  • 23:22-29:31 - The Croods review (read Brad's review here)
  • 29:32-37:18 - Olympus Has Fallen review (read Brad's review here)
  • 37:19-45:45 - [Listener Voicemail] Timothy - TV vs. Movie Character Development
  • 45:46-51:38 - [Listener Voicemail] Albert - Re-reviews
  • 51:39-54:53 - [Listener Voicemail] Kyle - Best/Worst moments of the podcast
  • 54:54-55:42 - [Listener Question] I hear a lot of talk about how VOD is taking over and the theatrical model is dying. Do you think that at some point in the future we will no longer be able to see films on the big screen and will have to settle with a really nice TV? [Baca]
  • 55:43-59:23 - [Listener Question] A lot of movies have other distributors internationally than in the U.S, how does this effect the box-office for that movie..considering the fact these distributors are paying for the movie..do these distributors make deals with production companies or are they buying all the rights in these territories ? [Cordia]
  • 59:24-1:02:35 - [Listener Question] Is there a film you enjoy purely - or mostly - for the visuals? And I'm referring to films with plots rather than films like "Samsara" and "Baraka." [Good Grief]
  • 1:02:36-1:05:12 - [Listener Question] With musicians like Adele contributing toSkyfall and Trent Reznor teaming up with David Fincher for his scores, what popular musicians/bands would you guys like to see tackle a film score? [zacksparrow]
  • 1:05:13-1:17:10 - Over / Under
    • 1.5 animated films in 2013 gets a B+ score from Brad & Laremy [Ron ONeal Fresh]
    • 1.5 Oscars for Jeremy Renner [Corbin]
    • 3.5 months until "gotta catch a bus" lady is brought up again [Corbin]
    • B- Cinemascore for Spike Lee's "Old Boy" [Ron ONeal Fresh]
    • B- by Brad for Man Of Steel [Aidan]
    • A- by Brad for The Wolf Of Wall Street [Aidan]
    • A- CinemaScore for G.I. Joe: Retaliation [Kessler]
    • 3 years until 3D is phased out for good [Zacksparrow]
    • 10 years until Blu-Ray is similar to vinyl: Only the hardcore collectors buy it [Zacksparrow]
    • $300 million domestic gross for Man of Steel. (Superman Returns was around $200 million) [Kessler]
  • 1:17:11-1:20:16 - Buy or Sell
    • Laremy sees John C. Reilly security guard in the wild again
    • 42 is nominated for one Oscar
    • A G or PG movie wins BP in the next 10 years
    • Liam Neeson ever gets an Oskar [Corbin]
    • At least two big blockbusters (something that goes past $100 million) that aren't officially on the
    • schedule yet, get a release date for the second half of the year.
  • 1:20:17-1:29:59 - Playing the Percentages
    • % chance you thoroughly enjoy "The Desolation of Smaug", not just hearing "Smaug" for 2 hours [Ron O'Neal Fresh]
    • % of your interest in "Anchorman: The Legend Continues" [Ron O'Neal Fresh]
    • % chance CinemaScore and Cheetara end up doing their own twice weekly movie podcast but with better singing and two eagle screech intro's [andyluvsfilms]
    • % chance Man of Steel makes 1 billion worldwide [Anna]
    • % chance this year's winner of the Palm d'Or is from the USA [Anna]
    • % chance Leonardo DiCaprio never wins an Oscar [Zacksparrow]
    • % chance Tarantino is never nominated for an Academy Award again [Zacksparrow]
    • % RT rating for G.I. Joe: Retaliation [Kessler]
    • % chance that Despicable Me 2 is better than Monsters University [Kessler]
    • % chance Laremy makes a movie reference while speaking at Brad's wedding. [Ingmar]
  • 1:30:00-1:31:58 - #GoodTweets
  • 1:31:59-1:37:54 - Closing

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Spring 2013 Movie Box-Office Draft
Brad vs. Laremy

Laremy's Picks
Movie Date Budget Box-Office Current Total
The Last Exorcism Part II Mar 1 $5m $15m $2.5m
21 and Over Mar 1 $13m $24.1m -$8.3m
Jack the Giant Slayer Mar 1 $195m $119.5m -$397.9m
The Call Mar 15 $13m $31.5m -$1.3m
Olympus Has Fallen Mar 22 $70m $30.3m -$144.6m
Admission Mar 22 $13m $6.1m -$26.3m
Tyler Perry's Temptation Mar 29      
Evil Dead Apr 5 $15m    
Oblivion Apr 19 $130m    
The Big Wedding Apr 26      
      $226.2m -$546.2m
Brad's Picks
Movie Date Budget Box-Office Current Total
Oz the Great and Powerful Mar 8 $215m $355.8m -$181.6m
Dead Man Down Mar 8 $30m $10.6m -$64.3m
The Incredible Burt Wonderstone Mar 15 $30m $17.4m -$57.5m
The Croods Mar 22 $135m $106.2m -$231.2m
The Host Mar 29 $44m    
G.I. Joe: Retaliation Mar 28 $185m    
Trance Apr 5      
Scary Movie 5 Apr 12 $45m    
42 Apr 12      
Pain and Gain Apr 26 $22m    
  $490.1m -$534.8m

The Spring 2013 Movie Box-Office Draft competition involved both Brad and Laremy "drafting" ten films each in hopes of scoring the largest net total by taking a film's worldwide gross subtracting two-and-a-half-times the reported budget. The film must be released in March and April of 2013. The draft took place on March 1, 2013 during the RopeofSilicon Podcast which you can listen to right here.

Listed above is all the most recent data as of this post. Budgetary information is not necessarily accurate and will most likely not be accurate until closer to or after each film's release.

  • Aidan

    2 more Motion Capture films come out in the next three years
    B+ grade by Brad for Iron Man 3
    Playing the Percentages:
    % on Rotten Tomatoes for Only God Forgives

  • Aidan

    Over/Under: B by Laremy for 42

  • http://www.everyeliakazanmovie.blogspot.ca/ IngmarTheBergman

    Hey... that War Horse one... was not me...

  • Gautam

    I too have never understood Laremy calling Babel one of the worst films of last decade.

    Infact I believe it's one of the better films of last decade if not among the best. I can understand calling it a sad film, but anyone remotely familiar with inarritu's film will know that he specializes in sad films. Be it 21 Grams, or Amoros Perros or even his last effort Biutiful. But each of his films are well made including Babel, though his best effort would be either 21 Grams or Amoros Perros.

    Babel is one of those films that's so much deeply philosophical than what the facade of sadness suggests. Infact I would even argue that actually overall it's not a sad film since it has quite a happy ending if not uplifting. All the characters survive their ordeals [except the boy's family in Morocco], and come out changed individuals after each of them go through cathartic experiences.

    And it's one of the rare films that truly justifies it's title. The commotion and chaos caused due to barriers in communication has never been explored better in any film. To hold together 4 different plots and then connect them over one common theme is tremendous achievement in itself. There were moments of schmaltzy few and far between but there were also several genuinely moving moments especially in Japanese girl's story. And the scene at the dance club where the whole movie alternates between a deaf-mute's perspective and the real world is sheer brilliance.

    To sum it all, Laremy I can understand you finding the movie sad, but by no means it's a badly made movie. For that matter Amour too is sad film but that doesn't make it shabby piece of work. In the end it's just a matter of individual tastes. By the way, I won't call myself a sadist having seen Babel more than 3 times.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

      I agree. I've always thought Babel was a great film. It sounds like Laremy & Brad's biggest problem with it is that it's depressing. I'm not sure why that makes it a bad movie.

      • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

        Not sure I ever said it was "bad", if I did I didn't mean to. It's an accomplished film in terms of performances, but not one I would ever revisit. In fact, I would say that while all of Inarritu's films are sad, Babel is the most unbearable, largely due to the obvious turns in the narrative. Gautam has a point, the title is justified, but it is also so on the nose it leaves little room for ambiguity.

        • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

          I think it was Laremy who said it was bad.

        • http://cinemmaconfessions.com Gautam

          I am happy that I am not alone in liking the film but Brad, to your point about obvious turns in narrative, Inarritu could have edited Babel the way he did with 21 Grams to make it unpredictable but I believe the criticism he received for it, prevented him from doing so. [Though personally I felt editing of 21 Grams was one of the best aspects of the film].
          But even beyond the performances there were several other avenues where the film excelled. As I said the way some of the scenes have been shot are breathtaking. Apart from the dance club scene, even the marriage sequence in Mexico or the confrontation between police and Moroccan boys are exquisitely done. Not to mention the music of the film which I think is Santaolalla's best work. I would suggest watching the film again if only to appreciate Inarritu's excellent direction.

          • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/lalecture/ lalecture

            Ditto on the editing of 21 grams. I felt the editing job he did on that film was perfect.
            I have watched Babel twice. I found it compelling. Yes, a sad course of events, but I actually like the way Inarritu ties the characters together in this film.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/HarryFuertes/ Harry Fuertes

      Babel is one of my favorite movies and I agree with everything you said. Spot on, Guatam. I also loved Amores Perros but have not seen 21 Grams and Biutiful.

      • http://cinemmaconfessions.com Gautam

        Watch 21 Grams, if you liked Babel chances are you will like 21 Grams even more.

        • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/lalecture/ lalecture

          I loved 21 grams so much i purchased the dvd. I have probably watched it 4 or 5 times. The acting is superb, the direction and editing proving that Inarritu is a director who has vision for timing and the pace of this story

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/RV/ Roland

    Thumbs up regarding four months for the draft. Two or three months is just too short.

    Good on you for standing by your code of ethics regarding the Pixar screening...

    Pain And Gain does as well as Bad Boys at the box office ($121 million when adjusted for ticket price inflation).

    $200 million domestically for Pacific Rim
    $100 million domestically for This is the End

    % chance animated movie Ernest & Celestine gets released in 2013

  • JN Films

    800 Million Worldwide for Man of Steel [JN Films]
    500 Million Worldwide for Gatsby [JN Films]
    50% Chance that Gatsby exceeds Brad's expectations [JN Films]
    50% Chance that YOLO lasts longer then SWAG as a fad [JN Films]
    50% Chance that PSY gets his own music movies (PLEASE NO!) [JN Films]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Corbin/ Corbin

    About that War Horse voicemail... Guilty. Now, just tell me when the court day is, and I'll plead not guilty.

  • adu

    Brad, I think you not going to Pixar shows character. However, I would have made an exception in this case, just to get a show-case of the behind the scenes of one of the most creative studios out there.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      The only problem with that, is once you make one exception where do you stop?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/lalecture/ lalecture

    Good to have you guys back on the podcast. I missed it on friday. How dare you take time off!! And now I hear you may be offline Friday AGAIN?!!
    I'll stop asking about Gone Girl!! Obviously, there are more important books to read! Seriously though, once the film becomes more of a reality, Ill revisit this topic. In the mean time, I'll pick up Wolf of Wall Street since it is more relevant right now.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

    After hearing that description, The Wolf of Wall Street has shot up to No. 1 on my most anticipated list. I mean, that description + Martin Scorsese + Leo DiCaprio... how could it not be great?

    Also, given that description, can we now say that Wolf of Wall Street has no chance at winning BP?

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/MarieJ/ Marie Jespersen

      Going by what the academy usually likes and dislikes it has a very good shot at a nomination, but not of a win. There are no likeable characters in Wolf (maybe except for Jordan's ex-wife) and the academy usually needs that.

  • http://cinemmaconfessions.com Gautam

    Playing the Percentages

    % chance that Laremy watches Babel again and doesn't hate it
    % chance that Oblivion gets a rotten RT score
    % chance that best friends Watts and Kidman both get nominated for Best Actress Oscar next year
    % chance Amy Adams never gets nominated in Best Actress category

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Corbin/ Corbin

    I'm going to do more later, but this one, I didn't want to forget:

    Playing dem percents:
    % chance that Smell-o-Vision becomes the new 3-D.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JonSullivan/ Jon Sullivan

    Regarding great network TV dramas, I would nominate 'Friday Night Lights' (aired from 2006-2011 on NBC) and 'Parenthood' (currently on NBC). Despite all of NBC's programming issues, they have occasionally gotten comedy ('Parks and Recreation', '30 Rock', 'The Office') and drama right.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/lalecture/ lalecture

    I will add to the list of network TV JJ Abrams' Lost. Ive watched Parks and Rec (seasons 1-2). Love it which is saying a lot. I usually hate network stuff.
    These days the drams on network are just too ridiculously lame and unrealistic. How many of us think that cops don't swear?! I loved how on the Wire they drank on stake outs! I could see that happening long before criminals saying "damn you make me mad"!!

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/andyluvsfilms/ andyluvsfilms

    Playing Dem Percents - Laremy will trademark "is electric" when describing an actors performance for the poster [andyluvsfilms]

    Buy Or Sell - Will Smith will only win a Best Actor Oscar in a biopic [andyluvsfilms]

    Over/Under - Trance C Grade, for me it was under [andyluvsfilms]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/lalecture/ lalecture

    B & L you guys mentioned the idea of making a list of films you like "so far this year". Laremy said he has two on his list. Which I have as well.
    Brad, on the other hand, claims he is holding out until June before weighing in.
    It occurred to me last night, as I was ranking movies for my netflix que, that you could order your list in that same way. As the weeks and months role by, you could add one or drop another to/from the list of "favorite films" so far.
    Im sure with your God-like powers, Brad you dont require any suggestions. But who knows, maybe you're having an off day!!

  • Mykael

    Over/ under -
    1. 2.5 CGI driven 2013 summer blockbusters go on to receive Oscar nomination for best visual effects.
    Buy/sell -
    1. Motion capture performance is never recognized by Academy.
    Playing 'em percents -
    1. This year's Best Cinematography winner is shot on film.

  • http://Trevorschoeller.com easybuttonfromb

    Is there a movie that people hated for certain aspects but you liked for the exact same aspects. I ask this because this last weekend I saw Spring Breakers and while I loved James Franco's character and the style of the film. The majority of people I spoke with hated the movie for the same reasons I liked the movie.

  • http://cinemmaconfessions.com Gautam

    On top of my mind, 21 Grams. Many hated it for its jump-cut editing but I loved the film for exactly the same reason.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/RV/ Roland

    Calvary gets 2 Oscar nominations in 2013 (best actor, best screenplay)

  • http://www.twitter.com/marlonwallace marlonwallace


    --Your reviews tend to be the wide releases. I guess because it's better web traffic, but every week tons of indie films get released, films that would give you guys more interesting things to talk about on the podcast then the latest Hollywood sequel or remake. Brad does release reviews of movies that he saw at Cannes and Toronto that make it to select theaters now, but there are so many films that get overlooked. 'From Up on Poppy Hill' is a recent example. Obviously, you guys can't see every thing and the bigger films will get you more clicks, but you both have proven to have a distaste or cynicism about the major Hollywood releases, outside Oscar season, so instead of 'Evil Dead' or 'Jurassic Park 3D', why not review some of the acclaimed indie films out there right now or coming up like 'My Brother the Devil' or 'Room 237' or 'Upstream Color', even if it means going out of your way?

    --In regard to TV dramas, have you guys seen or heard of 'The Good Wife'? I think Laremy said he likes TV shows about politics. In my opinion, 'The Good Wife' deals with politics in a fun way. The episode this past season called "Anatomy of a Joke" was brilliant. If Laremy hasn't seen 'The Good Wife', he might appreciate it because the show, which is essentially a lawyer procedural, also deals with tech/computer issues. The show did an episode about BitCoins, as well as one that deconstructed search engine algorithms and how they can be used to promote things over others. My favorite episode though was one where they had a Mark Zuckerberg-like character sue an Aaron Sorkin-like character over a 'Social Network'-like movie in the second season. If you haven't, check it out. You might enjoy it.

  • Aidan

    Listener Question: I recently watched Skyfall for the second time and liked it a lot. However, i was annoyed at the copies of The Dark Knight and since I liked that better this was lessened a lot by that. Your thoughts on the subject?

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      I think this article will answer my side of the conversation.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/andyluvsfilms/ andyluvsfilms

    Buy or Sell

    Matthew McConaughey insists on the line 'Alright, Alright' when scanners first pick up alien life readings if he's to accept the role in Interstellar [andyluvsfilm]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AndrewJ.S./ Andrew J.S.

    Going off the conversation on great network shows, where do you think the new Hannibal show will stand in that regard? The fact that it's being developed similarly to a cable show seems promising but could limits of the content keep it from being great?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DiscoPaco/ Disco Paco

    1.5 more feature films for David Lynch (67 years old, 10 feature films to his name, last one was Inland Empire in 2006) [Disco Paco]

    Viggo Mortensen has made his best/your favorite movie of his so far (notable entries: LOTR trilogy, History of Violence, Eastern Promises, A Dangerous Method, The Road, Appaloosa, A Perfect Murder) [Disco Paco]

  • http://www.criterion.com/my_criterion/27913-criterion10 Criterion10

    Wow, it's been a while since I've asked a listener question.

    Do you think that Baz Luhrmann's The Great Gatsby will turn out to be a total disaster, losing the essence of the book and simply becoming a stylized mess? [Criterion10]

    It's been pretty evident that audiences haven't been that receptive to a film like Spring Breakers, which does experiment with all different area of film making. A similar reaction occurred with Drive, certainly a more critically acclaimed film than Spring Breakers. How will we ever see a change in the quality of movies produced if audiences poorly respond to new types and styles of films? [Criterion10]

    James Franco gets an Oscar nomination for Spring Breakers [Criterion10]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Corbin/ Corbin

    Jesus, time is a b*tch. Sorry I don't have a lot this week, but I'll manage

    Over Unders:
    5.5 years until Laremy trademarks "gotta get them clicks!" [Corbin]

    Buy or Sell:
    R.I.P.D. gets delayed to 2014 soon. [Corbin]
    Grown Ups 2 gets moved into Awards Season due to it being awards worthy. [Corbin]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/RonOnealFresh/ Ron Oneal Fresh


    - 25 years before another sports film get nominated for Best Picture.

    - 8 yrs before another genre of film overtakes the comic book genre w/ popularity in terms of box office.

    - 50 years before a transgender wins for Best or Supporting Actor & Actress

    - 3.5 F-rated films for Brad for the rest of the year

    Buy or Sell

    Brad or Laremy EVER gives a Tyler Perry directed film a B+ or higher grade.

    An international award group ever rivaling the Academy.

    Christopher Nolan NEVER makes another film near the quality of (Inception, Dark Knight, Memento)

    All three Terrence Malick films (completed or in post-production) hits theaters in 2013

    John C. Reilly security guard EVER catching wind of the BnL podcast where he's routinely mocked.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/RonOnealFresh/ Ron Oneal Fresh


    Art is subjective. Cliche or elemental truth, however you look at it I think we'd all would agree -- But in regards to debates I feel that it's much easier to gather consensus when discussing film than it is music. Do you agree with that, If so. Why do you think that is.

    Both have genres and conventions of those genres that rarely deviate. There are unlimited number of stories, structures and emotions to explore.

  • http://www.seensome.com SeenSome

    Listener Question:

    In the latest G.I. Joe movie, people are blown up, shot, stabbed, punched, kicked etc. and there is not a single drop of blood shown on screen. I'm perfectly fine with movie violence but isn't it irresponsible for a film primarily aimed at kids to show violence with such little consequences?

    It's one thing to show this in a cartoon but when real actors are involved and extreme violence seems to have no outcome, doesn't that send a bad message?