Podcast: Reviewing 'The Butler', 'Kick-Ass 2' and 'Jobs'

Three reviews, your voicemails and much more

Rope of Silicon PodcastIt's another Friday episode of the RopeofSilicon podcast and we have reviews of Lee Daniels' The Butler, Kick-Ass 2 and Jobs for your ear holes, a couple of listener voicemails, a date is set for the next box office draft, a bunch of your questions, games and more. Hope you enjoy!

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  • 00:00-1:14 - Introduction
  • 1:15-8:19 - Show notes
  • 8:20-15:19 - Box Office Draft Update and date for next draft
  • 15:20-21:06 - Craig Ferguson clip
  • 21:07-26:21 - [Listener Question] Has someone's opinion of a movie changed your overall feelings for the person? [AlmostFilmCritic]
  • 26:22-35:37 - [Listener Voicemail] Matt - Elysium
  • 35:38-42:46 - [Listener Voicemail] Jeff - Elysium, District 9 sequel, directors
  • 42:47-51:30 - [Listener Question] My friend just watched Elysium was said he was disappointed. But what caught my attention is what he said next, "Looks like The Wolverine is the blockbuster of this summer." Although I do not agree with that (I don't think there is a clear winner), I am surprised he forgot about IM3 as he is a fanatic of IM. So my question to you is, isn't this summer a great example of Hollywood substituting action for story and as a result we are not having very memorable movies as of late. How fast do they need to turn that around? As I can see people getting tired of just mindless action without a very good story. [Nav]
  • 51:31-56:12 - [Listener Question] I wanted to know your guys opinion on the switch from film to digital in the theater end of the business. I live a couple states over in Montana and our state is mostly made up of small towns and in most of them that have movie theaters it becomes the focal point of the downtown. With the switch to digital, company's are going to stop sending 35mm film and for a small theater like ours we cant afford a digital projector which will mean we will have to close our doors. Do you think the switch to digital is better for the industries when they loose all the small town theaters that can afford to make the switch? [Outlaw723]
  • 56:13-58:48 - Pretty sure the last #GoodComments was trolling
  • 58:49-1:10:46 - The Butler review (read Brad's review here)
  • 1:10:47-1:16:41 - Kick-Ass 2 review (read Brad's review here)
  • 1:16:42-1:23:09 - Jobs review
  • 1:23:10-1:27:43 - Over / Under
    • 4 inches- the total that Laremy looks up to Brad, physically of course [John D.]
    • $60 million domestically for Runner, Runner [Roland]
    • C for The Pink Panther (2006) [Alex]
    • 5 years until an animated movie is nominated for Best Picture [Tiago Rti]
    • .5 more Percy Jackson films [andyluvsfilms]
    • B grade for The Legend of Bagger Vance [JPColeman]
    • 10.5 Oscar noms for the most nominated film of 2013 [AlmostFilmCritic]
  • 1:27:44-1:32:32 - Buy or Sell
    • Both of you will give a 2013 Best Picture nominee a "D+" or worse. (Doesn't have to be the same film.) [AlmostFilmCritic]
    • A cinema allowing texting and talking would fail because those texting and talking get annoyed by others texting and talking [andyluvsfilms]
    • Avatar 2 and 3 will not receive a Best Picture nom but 4 will [andyluvsfilms]
  • 1:32:33-1:37:30 - Playing the Percentages
    • % of people who see Lovelace that have also seen Deep Throat [The Colleague]
    • % of people who say "Lee Daniels' The Butler" rather than just "The Butler" when buying tickets to it this weekend [G-Man]
    • % chance The Wolf of Wall Street makes Brad's Top Ten Movies of 2013 [Chris]
    • % chance Lee Daniels The Butler is nominated for Best Picture [Aidan Khan]
    • % chance The Butler wins Best Picture [B. Smith]
    • % chance Jacques Audiard (director of A Prophet and Rust and Bone) ever gets a nomination for Best Director [Tiago Rti]
    • % chance Adam McKay has yet to make his best film [Hudsucker]
  • 1:37:31-1:39:04 - #GoodTweets
  • 1:39:05-1:40:57 - [Listener Question] As an aspiring film critic, I am a little bit confused on something involving rating a film. Who do you consider a better film critic, a critic who has a huge love for film and rates highly for many films or a critic who rarely gives high ratings and only does it for near perfect films? I want to know because I want to give high ratings and introduce people to a lot of a great films that are new ranging from Frances Ha to Laurence Anyways but I also want people to take my 5 star reviews seriously and see those films as films on a league of there own from Sightseers to The Place Beyond the Pines. [Ryan]
  • 1:40:58-1:42:15 - [Listener Question] Do you guys think that the movies kids watch at young age affect their minds later on? Would a child who watches movies like "The Iron Giant" and "Wall-E" have better thought processes than kids who watch movies filled with fart jokes like "The Smurfs 2"? [Austin Rains]
  • 1:42:16-1:44:20 - Closing

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Summer 2013 Box-Office Draft
Brad vs. Laremy

Laremy's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
Iron Man 3May 1$200m$1.21b$712.4m
The Great GatsbyMay 9$105m$330.9m$68.4m
Fast & Furious 6May 23$160m$782.5m$382.5m
EpicMay 23$100m$249.2m-$0.772m
After EarthMay 30$130m$244.9m-$80m
The InternshipJune 6$58m$76.3m-$68.6m
Monsters UniversityJune 20$185m$637.4m$174.9m
World War ZJune 21$190m$502.9m$27.9m
The ConjuringJuly 18$20m$170.4m$120.4m
Disney's PlanesAugust 8$50m$29.9m-$95m
Brad's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
Star Trek Into DarknessMay 14$190m$452.2m-$22.7m
The Hangover Part IIIMay 23$103m$350.9m$93.4m
Before MidnightMay 23$2.7m$11m$4.2m
This is the EndJune 11$32m$111.9m$31.9m
Man of SteelJune 14$225m$648.5m$86m
The HeatJune 27$43m$198.6m$91.1m
Despicable Me 2July 3$76m$751.4m$561.4m
Grown Ups 2July 11$80m$155.9m-$44m
TurboJuly 16$135m$136.9m-$200.5m
The Smurfs 2 July 30$105m$161.1m-$101.3m

The Summer 2013 Movie Box-Office Draft competition involved both Brad and Laremy "drafting" ten films each in hopes of scoring the largest net total by taking a film's worldwide gross subtracting two-and-a-half-times the reported budget. The film must be released in May and August of 2013. The draft took place on April 23, 2013 during the RopeofSilicon Podcast which you can listen to right here.

Listed above is all the most recent data as of this post. Budgetary information is not necessarily accurate and will most likely not be accurate until closer to or after each film's release.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/andyluvsfilms/ andyluvsfilms

    We often see extended versions of films being released on dvd and blu-ray but could studios benefit from releasing shorter versions? For example The Hobbit probably would have done better if it was shorter [andyluvsfilms]

    Could you ever see RoS not covering a big summer blockbuster because you're that despondent with the deluge of marketing and media saturation? [andyluvsfilms]

    Buy Or Sell -
    Star Wars Episode VII production costs greater than $200m. Prequels no greater than $115m [andyluvsfilms]
    More cameos from former characters in Star Trek 3 [andyluvsfilms]

    Dems -
    % people that come in right at the end just to catch the post credits teaser trailer [andyluvsfilms]
    % chance of a comeback for Laremy's man, Pauly Shore [andyluvsfilms]

    Over Under -
    30% rating on RT for Diana [andyluvsfilms]
    Acting nom for Greta Gerwig within 8 years [andyluvsfilms]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Adu/ Adu

    Laremy, will you be posting you Kick-Ass 2 review on Laremy.com?

    I am interested and was a fan of the first movie as well....look forward to the sequel this weekend.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Adu/ Adu

    Hey Brad, are we getting a review for Ain't Them Bodies Saints?

    I have heard good things about it and it is one of the movies I am quite looking forward to.


  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/navaneethks/ navaneethks

    For anybody on here,

    Is there a resource/website I can go to to discover some good limited releases/ Independent movies?

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Hudsucker/ Hudsucker

      hmmm, indiewire and listen to battleship pretension/film spotting

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/wuggles/ B. Smith

    Listener Question (I asked this last time but I really would like an answer for it :P)
    What are your thoughts on foreign film industries such as Bollywood or Nollywood(Nigerian film industry)? Do you think that those movies will get to the point where they are taken seriously by Hollywood and Western audiences? [B. Smith]

    I am surprised that Ashton Kutcher did a good job...I guess he just suffered from typecasting all these years? Although I am a member of a forum/Q&A type site (Quora) where he's a contributing member and he seems fairly intelligent, or to have an intelligent PR director (personally I think it's him because the site is not popular enough for him to waste time geting his PR person to write for him).

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JeremyBaril/ JeremyBaril


    Change Ben Stiller gets a Best Director nomination for The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.


    4 years until Brad Pitt gets an Oscar win.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Hudsucker/ Hudsucker

    1.5 Oscar nominations for Lee Daniels' The Butler [Hudsucker]
    30 years until The Conjuring [Hudsucker]
    B+ for Monuments Men [Hudsucker]
    0.5 more positive reviews for Paranoia added to RT [Hudsucker]
    Lee Daniels' next movie is insane, continuing his pattern of crazy movie, Oscar movie, crazy movie, (Shadowboxer, Precious, The Paperboy, The Butler) [Hudsucker]
    Dem' Percentages
    % chance Joseph Kosinski's The Twilight Zone is good [Hudsucker]
    % on RT for Runner Runner [Hudsucker]
    % chance Laremy wins an Oscar [Hudsucker]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Corbin/ Corbin

    $80 million domestic for The Monuments Men [Corbin]
    1.5 Oscar nominations for Steve Carell [Corbin]
    B for The Secret Life of Walter Mitty [Corbin]
    Laremy gets a better coffee machine than Brad's [Corbin]

    Oz: the Great and Powerful gets a sequel [Corbin]
    Joseph Kosinski wins an Oscar [Corbin]
    There will be a funeral service for Brad's amazing coffee machine when it stops working [Corbin]

    Playin Dem Percents:
    % chance Laremy goes back to the Gathering of the Juggalos [Corbin]
    % on RT for The Wolf of Wall Street [Corbin]
    % chance Brad is lying about how tall he is [Corbin]
    % chance Diana comes out this year [Corbin]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/StringerBell/ Stringer Bell

    Listener Question:
    I've recently started watching Arrested Development, and thought about the prospect of a movie based on the show. What are your opinions on movies based off of TV series? [Stringer Bell]

    B+ for Full Metal Jacket [Stringer Bell]
    2.5 Oscar nominations for The Counselor [Stringer Bell]
    3 years until Laremy is drawn back to the Gathering [Stringer Bell]

    A Pixar movie wins Best Picture in the next 20 years [Stringer Bell]
    20 more people give the podcast 5 star reviews for the rest of the year [Stringer Bell]

    % on RT for Gravity [Stringer Bell]
    % chance Daniel Day Lewis wins another Best Actor award [Stringer Bell]

  • Aidan Khan

    40$ Million worldwide for Jobs [Aidan Khan]
    Buy or Sell:
    Jobs is the worst reviewed serious movie of 2013 [Aidan Khan]

  • Chris Neilson

    B+ for Enders Game [Chris]
    A for The Matrix [Chris]
    Buy or Sell:
    Kruger from Elysium is the best villain of the summer [Chris]

  • Alex Sopher

    Over/ Under:
    .5 movies Brad sees in 2013 that are in his top 50 movies of all time [Alex]
    Buy or Sell:
    If Laremy had to say his favorite movie director, he would say the Coen brothers [Alex]
    Playing The Percentages:
    % chance Brad has already seen his #1 movie of 2013 [Alex]
    % chance Brad had good taste in movies as a teenager [Alex]

  • http://letterboxd.com/gman/ G-Man

    Question / Discussion Point:

    I recently heard a comment that kind of blew my mind. I mentioned that I had recently seen Elysium to someone. Their response was that it "qualifies" to be a movie they would pay to see in theatres. When I asked for clarification on what "qualifies" for their money in the theatre, they said that it must be made for $100 million plus and they prefer if the digital effects take up about two minutes of the credits .They said that if theatres in NYC are going to charge $14.50 for tickets, they want to make sure enough was being spent on making the movie. I was left dumbfounded and didn't really know how to argue or respond, or even know if it was worth my time. What are your guys' reactions to this?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Deliciousky/ David Delaney

    I know you lads are big sports fans but I'm not sure are you soccer fans. Here are a few buy or sells related to the English premier league:
    Buy or sell
    - Wayne Rooney to leave Manchester United.
    - Luis Suarez to leave Liverpool.
    - gareth Bale to leave Tottenham Hotspur.

    Cheers lads.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Deliciousky/ David Delaney

    Would you rather (Irish themed so you may not have seen them all)
    - in Bruges or the guard ?
    - hunger or in the name of the father ?
    - once or the commitments ?
    Jim Sheridan or Neil Jordan ?
    - Liam Neesons or Mick Fassbender ?
    - a wedding or a funeral (the only difference being one less drunk in attendance) ?

    Cheers again lads.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/rti03/ Tiago Rti

    .5 wins for Michael Fassbender at the Oscars.[Tiago Rti]
    .5 more Oscar wins for Woody Allen(any category).[Tiago Rti]
    7.5 years till a black and white movie is nominated for Best Picture..[Tiago Rti]
    3.5 years till Tarantino┬┤s next movie.[Tiago Rti]
    15 years till another tie happens at the Oscars..[Tiago Rti]
    20 years till a movie with 90 minutes or less wins Best Picture(the only one was Marty that has 90 minutes).[Tiago Rti]
    20 years till a Foreign Director wins Best Director at the Oscar directing a foreign language movie..[Tiago Rti]
    1 more movie for Jack Nicholson..[Tiago Rti]

    Playing the Percentages
    % chance Ben Affleck gets nominated for Best Director in Live by Night(his next movie).[Tiago Rti]
    % chance a documentary is ever nominated for Best Picture.[Tiago Rti]
    % anybody over 89 wins an Academy Award for Acting.[Tiago Rti]
    % chance Robert De Niro last nomination at the Oscars was the one for Silver Linings Playbook.[Tiago Rti]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Deliciousky/ David Delaney

    Finally, sorry for spamming you boys, while listening to your back catalogue and the frotcast back catalogue, I've heard Laremy say on both that Princess Merida from Brave is Irish. She however is a Scottish lady. I'm not being a pedant. It's just I don't want the proud and glorious nation of Ireland associated with that utter tripe of a movie. So my advice to you in future laremy is just ..... DO A GOOD RESEARCH. Ok lads, take it easy. And if you're getting it easy, take it twice !

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/harrypottr66/ Ben Kelly

    - Five years until Jessica Chastain wins best actress or best supporting actress
    - 1.5 more times Billy Crystal hosts the Oscars again

    Percent Chance
    -Ben Affleck wins a best director Oscar in the next 10 years

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JeremyBaril/ JeremyBaril


    Brie Larson gets a Best Actress Oscar nomination for Short Term 12.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/jgolding/ Justin Golding

    Based on your theater conversation and previous talk about ticket prices; it feels like we are at the tipping point and we are on the verge of the theater industry bubble bursting. It seems inevitable considering ticket prices are now about equal to the price of a DVD at Wal Mart or a digital download from Amazon. My question is how do you feel that the movie studios would respond to one or two major theater chains going out of business or being sold? Obviously, based on the Iron Man 3 conflict earlier this year, the movie studios are focused on getting their money first even if it puts their major business partner at a disadvantage, but obviously this is a ticking time bomb.

    Also, is China really a promising new market? I know I once heard a statistic that movie studios only got 25 percent of the money made in China and I've never heard anybody talk about how much it cost to market in China. I know everybody was gushing over how much money Pacific Rim made in China but if Warner Bros. is only getting a fraction of that money, is it really a profitable market?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/navaneethks/ navaneethks

    Listener Question:

    I remember how you guys were talking that there is racism within the industry and that it hasn't changed in a long time. Wanted to ask a question about racism in the general public. I went over to IMDb to look at the user rating of Lee Daniels' The Butler and found it was a 5.7. What really surprised me is that 19.8% of the votes were a rating of 1 out of 10. That is a huge chunk considering the worst movie of the year so far from the top of my head, in my opinion, Good Day To Die Hard has only 4.6% rating of 1 out of 10. Would this be considered a clear proof that racism is still wide in America in some level? I have not watched it yet but I am sure the movie is not THAT bad to give it a 1/10. And I think these are the same people who will be outraged if there was police looking over the audience if it is prominently white. What needs to change? IMO I think it's people's thinking that need to change. Without that, we will be dealing with this for decades to come. [Nav]

    Sorry, didn't know how to phrase it less political. You can paraphrase it for the podcast if you like in case you use this question.

  • Mike Lovito

    Percent Chance:

    Quinten Tarantino ever wins a Best Director Oscar

    One of Tarantino's films ever wins Best Picture

  • Josh McLaughlin

    In response to Ryan's question, I may rate many films on Rotten Tomatoes, but I don't write a review for a film unless I have something to say about it on the site. While every once in a while I may write a review/rant about a bad movie when I have valid criticisms about it or something (like 2007's "Sweeny Todd," for instance), in general most of my reviews are about films that I really enjoyed. Usually when I dislike a film, I'm so upset that I don't want to write about how bad it is beyond saying "it's just bad" and giving it a low score.

  • http://letterboxd.com/gman/ G-Man

    Over / Under:

    3 - months before Brad rewatches Fast & Furious 6 after it hits blu-ray shelves (G-Man)

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/laremyswatchdog/ Tyler Parker


    Amy Adams best supporting actress nom for american hustle

    Brad likes thor the dark world better than the first

    The man who wasnt there is laremys favorite black and white movie since schindlers list


    71% for thor the dark world on rt

    10 oscar noms for monuments men

    D- from brad for battle of the year

    B plus cinema score for enders game.

    Dem percents

    % chance laremy sees the carrie remake

    %chance frozen is brads favorite animated film of the year

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/laremyswatchdog/ Tyler Parker

    Also i was wondering if Laremy would talk about this season of the newsroom and if he thinks its an improvement on the first season. Thanks

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/RV/ Roland

    $95 million domestically for Lone Survivor [Roland]
    $130 million domestically for The Counselor [Roland]

    For the next draft, are you guys still planning to add the rule where you drop the highest and lowest scoring movies at the end of the game?