Podcast: 'End of Watch,' 'Dredd' and 'Trouble with the Curve' Reviews

A trio of reviews and back in the swing of things with our regular segments

Rope of Silicon PodcastIt's our Friday episode of the podcast and we have three reviews for you today including End of Watch, Dredd and Trouble with the Curve and we're back in the swing of things with several listener questions, over/unders, buy or sell and a special Oscar edition of Watch This or Watch That.

Laremy is a little under the weather due to heavy partying in Los Angeles so be sure and give him a hard time in the comments and other than that we hope you enjoy.

As always, I have broken down this episode on a minute-by-minute basis if you would like to skip ahead and below I have featured the information on how to download the podcast, find us on iTunes or merely just listen in your browser.

  • 00:00-6:30 - Introduction and cleaning up errors and answering quick questions
  • 6:31-7:54 - [Listener Question] Now that Prometheus has become profitable on Brad and Laremy's scale of 2.5x the budget ($390 mil on $130 budget, $65 mil profit) and continuing to profit internationally, what are the chances we get a Prometheus sequel? [Kieran Sturt]
  • 7:55-10:35 - Box-Office Challenge Update (chart below)
  • 10:36-14:01 - [Listener Question] Does it really mean anything when a movie crosses the $1 billion dollar mark anymore? [Kessler]
  • 14:02-21:12 - Dredd Review (read Laremy's review here)
  • 21:13-26:04 - End of Watch Review (read my review here)
  • 26:05-37:07 - Trouble with the Curve Review (read my review here)
  • 37:08-42:09 - [Listener Question] Assuming you guys don't watch trailers, do you read the comments users post on the articles about trailers? In theaters do you guys just talk when trailers play? Don't you think watching trailers could be good in some cases, I would say Cloud Atlas is a good movie to see a trailer for. [Cordia]
  • 42:10-43:33 - [Listener Question] Who will be the next Kristen Wiig on SNL? Who will step it up? Vanessa Bayer, Nasim Pedrad or Abby Elliott? [Michael]
  • 43:34-45:16 - [Listener Question] Laremy, if one of your favorite directors currently working (i.e. Tarantino, Nolan, etc.) was to direct a hard-R, truly terrifying horror film, would you go see it? [Criterion10]
  • 45:17-46:45 - [Listener Question] Which of the Marvel phase 2 films has the most potential (Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Cap 2, Ant-Man, Guardians, Avengers 2)? [Mikey]
  • 46:47-56:21 - [Listener Question] Three long questions from Ben
  • 56:22-1:01:32 - [Listener Question] When studios release old movies such as Jaws or Star Wars on Blu-ray, what is the benefit to the viewer to watching the movie on such a high resolution medium? Does the film - which was recorded decades ago with lower-quality cameras - actually present in high definition? I've never known the answer, and have always been curious. [Jon Sullivan]
  • 1:01:33-1:03:35 - [Listener Question] When a critic walks out of a screening (as was the case for Aftershock at TIFF), how should that action be reflected in the review? Should the critic be honest with his/her audience and describe just what made he/she walk out or should the critic not write a review of a film he/she did not see 100% of? Have either of you ever walked out of a film and if not, what would it take? [John D.]
  • 1:03:36-1:11:54 - Over / Under
    • 4 Oscar nominations for Hitchcock [G-Man]
    • $350 million worldwide for Les Miserables [Cordia]
    • $50 million domestic for The Master [Cordia]
    • 8 oscar nominations for Les Miserables [Cordia]
    • 6 years until Brad or Laremy gives a 3D film an A or A+ [Elijah]
    • "B" grade for Sinister [Elijah]
    • 70 percent on Rotten Tomatoes for The Great Gatsby [Kieran Sturt]
    • C+ for Pitch Perfect [Alex Thomas]
    • $750 million worldwide for Breaking Dawn Part 2. (Part 1 made $705 million) [Kessler]
    • 4 months until the world ends [Mikey]
  • 1:11:55-1:15:09 - Buy or Sell
    • Amy Adams wins her 1st Oscar for either The Master or Trouble With The Curve
    • Nolan, Fincher, Paul Thomas Anderson, Tarantino- one of these guys never wins a Best Director Oscar.
    • Guardians of the Galaxy will be the best Marvel movie from a critical standpoint
    • Damon Lindelof will have no involvement with the sequel to Prometheus (if/when there is one.
    • Prometheus will be the new Blade Runner with 4 different cuts of the film being released over the next 20 years or so.
    • There will be a $100+ Blu-ray box set for the Dark Knight Trilogy
    • Lincoln will be nominated for 0 oscars
    • Clint Eastwood will ever here you making fun of him
    • We will see a movie about the beginning of Google
  • 1:15:10-1:16:57 - Watch This or Watch That (Best Picture Oscar winners vs. losers edition)
    • 2011: The Artist or Hugo
    • 2010: The King's Speech or The Social Network
    • 2009: The Hurt Locker or Avatar
    • 2008: Slumdog Millionaire or The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    • 2007: No Country For Old Men or Atonement
  • 1:16:58-1:18:56 - #GoodTweets
  • 1:18:57-1:23:00 - Closing

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Fall 2012 Movie Box-Office Draft
Brad vs. Laremy

Laremy's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
The MasterSep 14$35m$993,871-$86.5m
LooperSep 28$60m$0
Taken 2Oct 5$80m$0
Cloud AtlasOct 26$100m$0
Wreck-It RalphNov 2$150m$0
Twilight: Breaking Dawn - Part 2Nov 16$131.5m$0
Red DawnNov 21$75m$0
Life of PiNov 21$100m$0
Django UnchainedDec 25$0
Les MiserablesDec 25$0
Brad's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
Resident Evil: RetributionSep 14$65m$75.7m-$86.7m
ArgoOct 12$0
Paranormal Activity 4Oct 19$0
Alex CrossOct 19$40m$0
FlightNov 2$50m$0
SkyfallNov 9$150m$0
LincolnNov 9$50m$0
Anna KareninaNov 16$0
The Hobbit: An Unexpected JourneyDec 14$0
The ImpossibleDec 21$0

The Fall 2012 Movie Box-Office Draft competition involved both Brad and Laremy "drafting" ten films each in hopes of scoring the largest net total by taking a film's worldwide gross subtracting two-and-a-half-times the reported budget. The film must be released between the months of September-December 2012. The draft took place on August 28 during the RopeofSilicon Podcast which you can listen to right here.

Listed above is all the most recent data as of this post. Budgetary information is not necessarily accurate and will most likely not be accurate until closer to or after each film's release.


  • The Dude

    What do you think of the idea that Dodd is a repressed homosexual? I think he was in love with Freddie, but didn't admit it until the last scene. I didn't really think about it at first, but it has become more apparent the more I've thought about the film. I actually thing Peggy wasn't all that concerned about Freddie's alcoholism, and more concerned about Lancaster's attraction to Freddie. Hence, after Freddie and Dodd meet and Peggy sees the effect that Freddie had on him, Peggy jerks Dodd off. Peggy is very much aware of his repressed homosexuality and does whatever she can to make it go away or keep it at bay. This is also hinted at when Peggy tells Freddie that Freddie inspired Dodd to write. Falling in love has been known to inspire people creatively. There's also the phone call in the movie theatre, where Dodd sounds like something of a rejected lover, rather than the charismatic mentor that he is previously portrayed as. So ultimately, Freddie stayed with The Cause because of his love for Dodd, but he didn't love Dodd in the same way that Dodd loved him.

    On another note, I think there is one scene in particular that shows how very different these two characters are. In the end at the desert, the play that game where they pick a point and ride to it. Dodd picks a boring old highway, whereas Freddie picks a mountain, which indicative of a great journey. Freddie is searching for an answer that cannot be found or will take a long time to be found, while Dodd already thinks he has the answers.

    This movie is just too damn good. There's just so much to dissect from it.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      I could definitely see that as a possibility and really like you interpretation. Thanks for sharing!

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mv11391/ Michael

    Hey thanks guys, had you going there on latest edition of Watch This Or Watch That huh? Haha. On SNL, I agree Vanessa Bayer is the funniest & probably more attractive of the 3. Pedrad & Elliott are attractive too and funny. I like them but Bayer is funnier to me, her Miley Cyrus impressions are spot-on. At first, when she did her first "Miley Cyrus Show" skit, I thought it wasn't really funny but the more skits she did with that, the funnier it got.

    Ok, I have no listener questions at the moment. Neither Buy/Sell & Over/Unders. I got some Watch This Or Watch That:

    Watch This Or Watch That:

    A Bug's Life or Antz
    The Social Network or Moneyball
    Fight Club or Se7en
    300 or Immortals
    Funny People or 50/50
    Ghost Rider 1 or Green Lantern
    Catwoman or Elektra

  • http://www.twitter.com/marlonwallace marlonwallace

    i can't give Laremy a hard time. i love Laremy. his Bane voice cracks me up every time. i can't help but physically laugh every time he does it.


    --Speaking of which, the Prime-time Emmys, which aired this weekend, have a voice-over category that's mostly dominated by animated series. What voice-over performance in film, past or present, would you say is award-worthy?

    --UNDEFEATED is one of my favorite films of the year. I'm still clueless as to how it won the Oscar when it wasn't released into theaters until a week before the Oscars telecast. What was the deal with that? When is it coming out on DVD and are there any docs this year that are at the top of your list of favorites?

    --French connection: If you were France, would you have submitted "The Intouchables" or "Rust & Bone" for the Foreign Language Oscar? (this could also be a Watch This or Watch That)

    --Recently, I saw a list of the top 100 gay films by AfterElton.com. Like with CITIZEN KANE in the Sight & Sound poll, BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN was toppled by a movie called SHELTER (2007). Have you seen this film? If not, does the fact that it has become ranked #1 by a somewhat reputable web site intrigue you? what about other minority films? what's your favorite black film or your favorite Asian film or your favorite Hispanic film for example?

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Will-E/ Will-E

      If I may piggyback on your question about voiceover work.

      Do you think the Academy will ever recognize voice work? For example, James Earl Jones for Vader or Andy Serkis for Gollum in Supporting. I didn't do a research on this, so if this has ever happened, someone please out me as an idiot.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/HarryFuertes/ Harry Fuertes

    Seeing The Master this weekend hopefully. Can't wait! Finally out of school for two weeks which is the cherry on top.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mason%20Williamson/ Mason Williamson

    Watch This or Watch That:

    Aftershock or Hobo With a Shotgun


    Living in Vancouver, we don't get The Master 'til next weekend. Canada has its downsides, too. Anyway, excited to see it next Friday and join the conversation.

    Oh, and I watched Metropolitan and The Last Days of Disco after the package came in the mail - both great films, though I slightly preferred Metropolitan. Appreciate both of 'em, though... glad to have them in my collection.

    • http://www.twitter.com/GregDinskisk GregDinskisk

      Oh, without a doubt watch Hobo With a Shotgun! A truly breathtaking piece of art about this crumbling society we call 'America.'

      • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mason%20Williamson/ Mason Williamson

        Haven't actually seen Hobo With a Shotgun; just know Brad gave both it and Aftershock an 'F' for similar reasons (the disturbing and graphic nature not passing for entertainment).

        • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JonSullivan/ Jon Sullivan

          Hobo with a Shotgun is awful for that very reason; the violence isn't "From Dusk 'til Dawn"-esque where it's cartoonish and over-the-top. There are multiple scenes where the only motivation had to have been that the director was trying to shock the audience by pushing the envelope of brutality.

          It's not on par with torture porn like "Saw" or "Hostel" - there is some winking self-awareness in the film - but it's nothing like what I expected when it aired as a faux trailer during "Grindhouse".

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Fan/ Fan

    Watch this or watch that:

    The Patriot or Braveheart

    Mad Max or Road Warrior

  • JJ

    is there any specific reason you and Laremy review Dredd in the podcast but have no written review

    • http://www.film.com/author/laremy-legel Laremy Legel

      Here's my review if you need some written words on the subject: http://www.film.com/movies/dredd-3-d-review-2012

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      Yeah, Laremy saw it and reviewed it on Film.com, but I never saw it.

  • http://timeforafilm.com Alex Thomas

    Loved the trailer talk. I'm much the same when trying to avoid trailers, was really annoyed I saw the trailer for The Intouchables the other day. I think you make a valid point about the disconnect between seeing the trailer and not seeing the trailer, it really changes a lot of things. Also for you guys, it's probably easier to avoid trailers overall as I'd say majority of screenings don't have trailers whereas the general public have to put up with 4+ trailers for every movie they see.

    I think this podcast has encouraged me to avoid trailers which I'm really happy about, I much prefer being completely blind going into a movie.

    Oh damn Brad, I've heard nothing but good things about Pitch Perfect! Was hoping you would let me know if it was worth it. I will instead let you know if it was indeed terrible or not ;)

    Some 2012 Watch this or Watch that's:
    Battleship or Contraband
    This Means War or The Watch
    21 Jump Street or The Dictator

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mv11391/ Michael

      On Pitch Perfect, heard it's not even like Glee at all. Heard it's one of the funniest movies of the year from some people & critics so far. I'm disappointed Brad won't check this one out, at least give it a try. I love Anna Kendrick in just about everything. Elizabeth Banks has a small role, I also am a fan of hers. It just looks very fun, hilarious & good.

      • http://timeforafilm.com Alex Thomas

        Agreed - I'm going basically just for my actress crush Anna Kendrick! I also really like Rebel Wilson and as you said it's got really good praise from a lot of critics.

        I guess after Rock of Ages (which I personally disliked) Brad might have felt the same about going to another potential snooze fest.

        Seeing tonight :)

        • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mv11391/ Michael

          Yeah I too have a crush on Anna Kendrick, she's basically one of the main reasons i'm seeing this one. Rebel Wilson is funny though I thought she was the only part I disliked about Bridesmaids but she looks funny here and in Bacherlotte.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Cordia/ Cordia

    was laughing a lot this podcast..

    dredd budget is 45 million says wikipedia.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/the%20colleague/ the colleague

    The last few podcast we've had delirious Laremy, a bit of angry Laremy, and now a hoarse Laremy. What could be next? :-)

    - The theme of the question are cult movies. What in your opinion makes a certain movie a "cult movie"? At what point does it stop being that and becomes a part of the popular culture? For example, Donnie Darko definitely started out as a cult movie, but would you still consider it a cult movie today? What about the likes of David Lynch? His most recognized work was and probably still is the TV show Twin Peaks, which was also considered a cult project at the time, even though it had very healthy ratings for a better part of its run. Would you consider any of his movies to be, for a lack of a better word, mainstream? What are some of your favorite movies you consider to be "cult"?

    - When was the last time you went into a movie without knowing absolutely nothing about it, except for its title? Obviously you can't really do it now because of your profession, but maybe you did it before you became critics? The reason I ask is the viewer almost always goes into a movie with a certain set of expectations, based either on a director, actor, franchise, genre of the movie, etc. and I was wondering how would such an experience affect his/her opinion of the movie.

    Watch This or Watch That:
    - Wag the Dog or In the Loop
    - Wall Street or Glengarry Glen Ross

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/AS/ AS

    "When a director makes a certian decsion or makes a bad film some people tend to feel disrespected. Look at a comment from the "famous" AS: he said that if PTA made a film like Lincoln, he would feel betrayed. No offense to Mr. AS, but I feel PTA couldn't care less if he felt betrayed. A person in the film industry should feel free to do whatever they please." - I was referring to the low quality of Lincoln's TRAILER, not the film. Is it wrong to expect good things from your favorite filmmakers? And when did I ever indicate that PTA should care about my, or anyone else's opinion? That's not what I was talking about so please don't misrepresent the context of that quote.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/DArtagnan/ DArtagnan

    Listener Question:
    - Do you think that 2D movies as we know them today will one day disappear (like silent films and black and white)? If yes, how long do you think that will be, and what will replace them?

    - 10% chance Back to the Future 4 is made for 2015

    Watch this or watch that:
    - Se7en or Fight Club
    - The Dark Knight or The Empire Strikes Back
    - Gone With the Wind or Casablanca

  • Snicket

    Another solid show guys!

    Some random bits:

    Watch this or watch that:
    A marathon of the first 4 Harry Potter films or the last 4 films.


    6 months after the release of Breaking Dawn Part 2 its principle actors start to bad mouth Twilight in an effort to distance themselves from it. In the industry I believe they call this "pulling a Shia".

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/B-Shaw/ B-Shaw

    Over/Under: 10 years until the classic board game Candy Land is adapted into a film.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Cordia/ Cordia

    Brad, when you make you oscar predictions. what makes you pick you picks? do you look on the internet for other people's opinions or do you just look at your feelings and what you have already seen?

    what major oscar category do you think is the most open as of today?


    80% of brad's predictions will turn out to be correct on january 10
    8 best picture nominees ( i say 9)
    total box-office will be bigger in 2012 than in 2011


    les miserables wins best picture but tom hooper will not win best director
    Spielberg will change Lincoln after the test screening

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JonSullivan/ Jon Sullivan

    With the prevalence of streaming services like Netflix and Amazon on Demand that allow you to watch movies in HD quality pretty easily, has that changed the number of movies you add to your Blu-Ray collections each year? I only ask because I have heard that some people don't like the image quality that streaming services provide - though I haven't noticed a large difference when I watch something on Netflix Instant.

  • Ron Oneal Fresh


    - 25 years for another G-rated film winning Best Picture.
    - 5 years before a film about postcasting gets made.
    - 55% chance Django Unchained being a total misfire (commercially & critically)

    Buy or Sell

    - Amy Adams, Natalie Portman, Charlize Theron taking over Meryl Streep mantle of getting Oscar noms for anything she acts in.

    - Not groaning at the prospects of a new Johnny Deep film.

    - QT & PTA splitting a Best Screenplay/Best Director award this year.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mv11391/ Michael

      Add Julianne Moore as well, she's got 4 Oscar noms. I love Amy Adams, Charlize Theron & Natalie Portman as well. They are all terrific actresses.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/G-Man/ G-Man

    Nice podcast, fellas. I got a little lazy with the Q&A and over/under last week, so coming a bit more prepared today:


    - Do critics have an unfair bias against films that aren't screened for them?

    - Do you think presenting a film in black & white ever improves the film?


    $220 million - Cumulative box office gross for the three day Memorial Day Weekend 2013. Opening are Fast Six, The Hangover: Part 3, and Epic. Will be one week after Star Trek sequel opens, 2 weeks after Gatsby, and 3 weeks after Iron Man 3.


    -Marvel will release an R-rated movie in the next 12 years

    Watch This/Watch That - (Same Actor, Pre vs. Post 2000 Edition):

    - Brad Pitt - Inglourious Basterds (2009) vs. Se7en (1995)
    - Philip Seymour Hoffman - The Master (2012) vs. The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)
    - Jack Nicholson - The Departed (2006) vs. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
    - Bonus (For Laremy) - Bucky Larson (2011) vs. Paranormal Activity (2007)

  • Dan

    For the "Watch this or Watch that" 2007 segment, No Country for Old Men or There Will Be Blood would've been a helluva lot more interesting than No Country or Atonement. Atonement basically has that war tracking shot going for it and that's it haha. I thought the Buy or Sell section was really good stuff this time.