Podcast: 2014 Oscar Talk and Reviews of 'Out of the Furnace' and 'Inside Llewyn Davis'

Plus talk of the Wonder Woman casting and the continuation of the X-Men franchise

Rope of Silicon PodcastIt's our Friday episode and that means reviews, which include looking at Joel and Ethan Coen's Inside Llewyn Davis and Out of the Furnace. We also take a lengthy look at the 2014 Oscars with some predictions on the heels of the first round of precursor awards, talk about the Wonder Woman casting in Batman vs. Superman and the continuation of the X-Men franchise with X-Men: Apocalypse.

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  • 00:00-3:12 - Introduction
  • 3:13-8:36 - Show notes
  • 8:37-20:40 - Inside Llewyn Davis review (read Brad's review here)
  • 20:41-31:40 - Out of the Furnace review (read Brad's review here)
  • 31:41-34:13 - X-Men: Apocalypse coming in 2016
  • 34:14-41:51 - [Listener Question] Wonder Woman casting in Batman vs. Superman. Underlying topic: female representation in Hollywood. [Silrian]
  • 41:52-59:17 - 2014 Oscar talk
  • 59:18-1:02:40 - Richard Corliss' Top Ten of 2013 (find it here)
  • 1:02:41-1:09:17 - [Listener Questions] End of Year Lists
    • When working on your 'Worst of' lists, do you give preference to bigger studio movies? For example, will you give movies like IDENTITY THIEF and PAIN & GAIN more scrutiny than minor releases like GETAWAY or PARANOIA? [AlmostFilmCritic]
    • Do either of you look at your colleagues' "Best of" and "Worst of" lists after you finish yours? [AlmostFilmCritic]
    • What process do you go through when compiling your best and worst-of lists at the end of the year? [TheOneWhoKnocks]
  • 1:09:18-1:12:19 - [Listener Question] Do you think remakes are inherently bad? People often bash remakes as being unnecessary, and many of them are, but is there anything wrong with remaking a film? And how can a remake be done "correctly?" [Xarnis]
  • 1:12:20-1:17:57 - Over / Under
    • B+ for the 'World War Zimmerman' episode of South Park [Carlos]
    • B+ for American Hustle [Chris]
    • $100 million domestic gross for Monuments Men [AlmostFilmCritic]
    • 3.5 movies on which you two differ on your respective Top 10 of 2013 [the colleague]
    • 2 Weeks until Brad's Best Picture favorite changes [Alex]
  • 1:17:58-1:20:35 - Buy or Sell
    • The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is better than The Amazing Spider-Man [Chris]
    • Chris Pine plays Jack Ryan more than once.
    • A LEGEND OF ZELDA movie ever gets made.[AlmostFilmCritic]
    • Laremy will love AMERICAN HUSTLE. [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    • The Oscar Best Picture winner is part of the Top 10 films of the National Board of Review.
  • 1:20:36-1:27:10 - Playing the Percentages
    • % chance Lone Survivor is nominated for Best Picture [Aidan Khan]
    • % chance of there ever being a three-hour episode [Mitch]
    • % chance a movie with an RT score below 60 percent ever wins Best Picture again [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    • % chance the "Mortal Instruments" sequels actually get made [B. Smith]
    • % of the podcast during which Laremy is playing games on his iPhone, Android or similar touchscreen device [Magill Foote]
    • % of people who like Spike Lee's Oldboy more than the original [Xarnis]
    • % the results of National Board of Review and NY Critics affected 12 Years a Slave chances at winning Best Picture [Disco Paco]
  • 1:27:11-1:29:02 - #GoodTweets
  • 1:29:03-1:32:43 - Watch this Watch that: Low Re-Watch-Ability vs. Low Quality Edition [JN Films]
    • 12 Years a Slave or The Notebook
    • Shame or Scary Movie 5
    • Blue Valentine or Valentine's Day
    • The Place Beyond the Pines or Sharknado
  • 1:32:44-1:35:30 - Closing

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Fall 2013 Box-Office Draft
Brad vs. Laremy

Laremy's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
GravityOct 4$100m$615.7m$365.7m
Ender's GameNov 1$110m$84.9m-$190m
Inside Llewyn DavisDec 6   
The Hobbit: The Desolation of SmaugDec 13$166m  
Tyler Perry's A Madea's ChristmasDec 13   
HerDec 18   
Anchorman: The Legend ContinuesDec 20   
Walking with DinosaursDec 20   
The Secret Life of Walter MittyDec 25   
August: Osage CountyDec 25   
47 RoninDec 25   
Brad's Picks
MovieDateBudgetBox-OfficeCurrent Total
Insidious: Chapter 2Sep 13$5m$155.4m$142.9m
Battle of the YearSep 20$20m$14.1m-$35.8m
Machete KillsOct 11$20m$15m-$34.9m
Jackass Presents: Bad GrandpaOct 25$15m$135.6m$98.1m
Last VegasNov 1$28m$78.4m$8.4m
Thor: The Dark WorldNov 8$170m$592.7m$167.7m
The Hunger Games: Catching FireNov 22$130m$583.2m$258.2m
FrozenNov 27$150m$117.4m-$257.5m
Saving Mr. BanksDec 13   
American HustleDec 13   
The Wolf of Wall StreetDec 25   

The Fall 2013 Movie Box-Office Draft competition involved both Brad and Laremy "drafting" ten films each in hopes of scoring the largest net total by taking a film's worldwide gross subtracting two-and-a-half-times the reported budget. The film must be released in September through December 2013. The draft took place on August 20, 2013 during the RopeofSilicon Podcast which you can listen to right here.

Listed above is all the most recent data as of this post. Budgetary information is not necessarily accurate and will most likely not be accurate until closer to or after each film's release.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JNFilms/ JN Films

    Yo guys, I'm back. Thanks for the watch this or watch that selection btw.

    3 Noms for The Great Gatsby [JN Films]
    5.5 Noms for The Wolf of Wall Street [JN Films]

    Buy or Sell
    12 Years a Slave will clean house, and if not then all the awards will be spread out amongst various films [JN Films]
    Fruitvale Station will have the biggest amount of snubs for Oscar noms [JN Films]

    Playin' Dem Percents
    % on RT for Ryan Gosling's 'How to Catch a Monster' [JN Films]

  • TheOneWhoKnocks

    There are a handful of "Rotten" movies which have won Best Picture. They're dinosaurs, though.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/ Brad Brevet

      Yeah, which don't really count since I'm sure a lot of them weren't released at the same time RottenTomatoes existed. There's an immediacy to RT that only captures the opinion of the moment while many films, primarily those thought great or awful upon initial release, don't settle on a general opinion until much later after their release.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Adu/ Adu

    Laremy! Please watch Prisoners and finish Out of the Furnace...

    • http://www.film.com/author/laremy-legel Laremy Legel


  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Fox/ Fox

    No love for Blue Valentine? You've ruined my day.

  • GobleGableOneOfUs

    2 years until the John Gotti biopic starring Travolta is made

    Buy or Sell
    Joseph Gordon Levitt wins an Oscar for acting someday.
    Ridley Scott's The Counselor gains a strong cult following in the next 10-20 years.

    RT for August: Osage County
    Likelihood of Michael C. Hall getting an Oscar nomination in the next 5 years.

  • https://twitter.com/delaney_david David Delaney

    As you may or may not know, the draw for the group stages of the World Cup happened today. Usually during the competition, people enter into sweepstakes whereby people pay an entrance fee, pick one of the 32 teams from a hat and if your team wins, you take the pot. Pretty simple right. I think a great idea for the site may be to do a World Cup of Cinema Sweepstakes. Same basic premise where people choose one of the 32 teams at random and the winner gets a prize. However, what I think would make it interesting is if everyone watched and reviewed a film from the nation they picked. Say I picked Italy then I could watch and review Gomorrah. To take it one step further, maybe you could watch and review films from your chosen nation as they progress through the tournament. Review 3 different films from your nation for the group stages and should the progress, review a film for the 2nd round, quarter finals, semi finals and final. I think it'd be a pretty great idea as it would give people an opportunity to discover some international cinema that they normally wouldn't, it keeps people interested in the World Cup when they normally might not and best of all, you can win a prize. Thoughts ?

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/RonOnealFresh/ Ron Oneal Fresh

    There are way too many very good films in 2013 that Brad keeps telling Laremy to watch. It's like pulling teeth.

    • http://www.film.com/author/laremy-legel Laremy Legel

      Yup. Maybe the bosses will replace me.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/navaneethks/ navaneethks

    @Brad This comment has nothing to do with movies, but you guys talked about a game, so just wanted to comment on it. In Candy Crush it's one life per 30 minutes up to 5 lives. Not 5 lives in 30 minutes. Wait until you get to the higher level, you will give up at some point. I am stuck in level 70 for a month and now don't play anymore. Meanwhile I have a friend who is in level 368.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/TheLastEquivocationofBrist/ TheLastEquivocationofBrist

    If a Zelda movie were going to be made, I'd like to see an adaptation of Majora's Mask. That one was actually interesting and did something different. The rest are pretty standard hero's journey stuff.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Mason%20Williamson/ Mason Williamson

      Majora's Mask is also the only real standalone story and the 3 day time limit would be helpful for the narrative as well. Still, not sure I can think of a director who could really capture that doom and hopelessness quite as effectively as the game did, but it's fun to think about.

      • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/TheLastEquivocationofBrist/ TheLastEquivocationofBrist

        If he weren't already doing Noah, Darren Aronofsky with free rein might've been able to capture what makes that game so great. I can't think of too many others.

        MM is also one of the very few games where I think having a silent player character actually works in its favor (that way the protagonist of the story becomes Termina itself and all its people, not Link). A silent hero in a movie would just look silly though.

  • Hudsucker

    1.5 Oscar nominations for All is Lost [Hudsucker]
    Dem' Percentage
    % chance Roger Deakins wins an Oscar after he's died [Hudsucker]

    My Host review is coming soon. For other's who want to partake, it's up on NETFLIX.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Hudsucker/ Hudsucker

      Dem' %
      % chance Wasteland makes Laremy's Top 10 of 2012 [Hudsucker]

  • Aidan Khan

    900$ Million worldwide for The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug [Aidan Khan]
    Buy or Sell:
    The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug gets better reviews than An Unexpected Journey, but is actually a worse film [Aidan Khan]

  • Chris Neilson

    C for The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug {Chris]
    Buy or Sell:
    The Wolf of Wall Street is as good as Goodfellas [Chris]

  • Alex Sopher

    B- for Saving Mr. Banks [Alex]
    Playing The Percentages:
    % chance Nebraska wins Best Picture [Alex]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/andyluvsfilms/ andyluvsfilms

    How soon after watching a film have you felt it has masterpiece potential? Something that is significant but also entertains, I say this after watching The Great Beauty, i am in love with this film and cant wait to see it again [andyluvsfilms]

    What are your favourite european films of the year? [andyluvsfilms]

    @Brad, Have you watched "A Hijacking" yet? Its so much better than Captain Phillips.

    What films affect you more emotionally, drama or documentary? [andyluvsfilms]

  • http://www.the-back-row.com Magill Foote

    I wanna do a Host review, but are there any contest rules? Is there a time limit on my review? I missed the episode where this whole Host review thing was explained.

    - 5 gratuitous shots of womens' nether regions in Nymphomanic (note: there is one within the first two seconds of the trailer)

    - B- for The Lego movie

    Buy or Sell:
    - The success of Saving Mr. Banks leads Disney to make a movie about the creation of Mickey Mouse
    - I, Frankenstein makes Quentin Taratino's list of his favourite movies of 2014

    - % chance of Paul W.S. Anderson's Pompeii opening at number one at the box office

  • http://reelprojection.com/ GothamCity151

    -5.5 times Brad and Laremy laugh to themselves during 'The Hobbit 2' when "Smaug" is said [GothamCity151]
    -1.5 noms for 'Her' [GothamCity151]
    -6.5 movies from 2013 Brad and/or Laremy see in 2014 for the first time [GothamCity151]
    -$20 million opening weekend for '47 Ronin' [GothamCity151]

    -% chance Brad or Laremy see all five Best Foreign Language noms before the winner is announced [GothamCity151]
    -% chance a film from Sundance 2014 gets a Best Picture nom [GothamCity151]
    -% chance there are more black and white movies in 2014 than in 2013 (Nebraska, Frances Ha, Much Ado were this year's, and I am sure I am forgetting some) [GothamCity151]
    -% chance the award shows use the clip with Redford and the radio in 'All Is Lost' because it has a little bit of dialogue in it [GothamCity151]

  • HelloMoto

    Listener Questions:
    1. Are there are any filmmakers working today who you think will be revered as masters of cinema in 20 or so years? (I'm not referring to directors like Spielberg and Tarantino, who are established talents, but more recent filmmakers.) [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. What screenwriting tips do you have to offer, and are there any pet peeves you have when it comes to movie dialogue and screenplays? [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    1. 3.5 major releases which score below a 20% on RT in January [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. 1.5 more "Star Trek" movies with Chris Pine playing Kirk [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    3. 90% on RT for "Grand Budapest Hotel" [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    Playing the Percentages:
    1. % chance a comedy (not counting something like THE ARTIST) will win Best Picture within the next five years. [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. % chance THE DISAPPEARANCE OF ELEANOR RIGBY scores a Best Picture nomination in 2015 [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    3. % chance THE GIVER is a good movie [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    Watch This, Watch That: Which 2013 Movie Do You Remember More?
    1. BROKEN CITY or GANGSTER SQUAD? [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. BULLET TO THE HEAD or SNITCH? [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    4. THE PURGE or THE HEAT? [TheOneWhoKnocks]

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Nardog/ Nardog

    Another great episode. I especially enjoyed the argument during the Out of the Furnace review.

    Also I really want to know if Inside Llewyn Davis actually has a repetition of the same scene. Because if it does, it would be so much more interesting for me (and the movie won't come out until sometime next year).

  • TheOneWhoKnocks

    These are my questions. Posted it on a work computer, and the person using it before me apparently forgot to log off of Disqus.

    Listener Questions:
    1. Are there any filmmakers working today who you think will be revered as masters of cinema in 20 or so years? (I'm not referring to directors like Spielberg and Tarantino, who are established talents, but more recent filmmakers.) [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. What screenwriting tips do you have to offer, and are there any pet peeves you have when it comes to movie dialogue and screenplays? [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    1. 3.5 major releases which score below a 20% on RT in January [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. 1.5 more "Star Trek" movies with Chris Pine playing Kirk [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    3. 90% on RT for "Grand Budapest Hotel" [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    Buy or Sell:
    1. An African-American/black person will win an Oscar in at least one category this year. [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. "Gone Girl" will earn David Fincher a Directing nomination. [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    3. The entire series of "Divergent" books will not be adapted to the big screen. [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    Playing the Percentages:
    1. % chance a comedy (not counting something like "The Artist") will win Best Picture within the next five years [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. % chance "The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby" scores a Best Picture nomination in 2015 [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    3. % chance Brad doesn't break out the "Canada!" drop again until next year's TIFF [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    Watch This, Watch That: Which 2013 Movie Do You Remember More?
    1. "Broken City" or "Gangster Squad"? [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    2. "Bullet to the Head" or "Snitch"? [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    3. "Jack the Giant Slayer" or "The Incredible Burt Wonderstone"? [TheOneWhoKnocks]
    4. "The Purge" or "The Heat"? [TheOneWhoKnocks]

    • TheOneWhoKnocks

      I can't seem to edit my comment.

      Buy or Sell:
      1. Brad will see one of his top ten movies of 2014 before the 2013 Oscars. [TheOneWhoKnocks]

      Playing the Percentages:
      1. % chance Laremy.com gets a comment section [TheOneWhoKnocks]

  • Justin Golding

    What movies are Laremy going to show at his New Year's screener party this year?

  • http://imqwerty.wordpress.com/ Jordan B.

    Watch This, Watch That: Christmas Edition

    - It's a Wonderful Life (1946) vs. Miracle on 34th Street (1947)
    - A Christmas Story (1983) vs. Home Alone (1990)
    - Lethal Weapon (1987) vs. Die Hard (1988)
    - Christmas Vacation (1989) vs. Bad Santa (2003)
    - The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993) vs. How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000)
    - The Santa Clause (1994) vs. Elf (2003)
    - The Polar Express (2004) vs. A Christmas Carol (2009)
    - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005) vs. Iron Man 3 (2013)

  • http://letterboxd.com/gman/ G-Man

    Have you guys scheduled the winter 2014 box office draft? What will be the months? Also, you guys may want to consider that suggestion to draft an extra 1-2 films up front in case dates move.

    Watch This - Watch That (December Same Opening Weekend Releases)

    Tombstone vs. Philadelphia (1993)

    Jerry Maguire vs. Mars Attacks! (1996)

    Jackie Brown vs. As Good As It Gets (1997)

    Any Given Sunday vs. The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Adu/ Adu

    Brad, I noticed the budget for 47 Ronin in this link:


    $170m...poor Laremy :)

  • Steve Crobie

    Listener Question:
    Hi Guys.Could you possibly do your best to explain to those who don't have a good sense of how the Oscars are voted on and don't know how "politicking" may be involved? I feel like I have an idea of how it works but could probably be better educated on the process.

    Thanks for the great Podcast!

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JonSullivan/ Jon Sullivan

    Listener Question:

    In your opinion , how much of an actor's reputation as a skilled performer is due to which directors he or she is able to work with? Before breaking out, Bryan Cranston was best known for 'Malcolm in the Middle' and Jennifer Lawrence was once on a terrible sitcom with Bill Engvall. Had someone just seen these two shows, it seems hard to believe that either would get credit as being a talented actor. [Jon Sullivan]

  • Stephen

    Not trying to be mean-spirited here, but the thought of Laremy buying a ticket to A Madea Christmas later tonight made me howl with laughter. That's brutal man.

    • Stephen

      Whoops, I meant to put this on this Tuesdays Podcast.