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Pacific Rim vs. Grown Ups
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Legendary Entertainment is picking up shop and leaving Warner Bros. and Variety reports Universal, Sony and Fox are still in the running to court the geek brand production house to their stables. Legendary is responsible for recent films such as Man of Steel and The Hangover Part III as well as The Dark Knight Rises and Watchmen, but it's their next produciton that's gaining attention today... Guillermo del Toro's Pacific Rim.

Variety's Marc Graser reports early tracking for the July 12 release is dissappointing with audiences showing more interest in fellow mid-July release, Grown Ups 2. This has friend of RopeofSilicon, Kevin Jagernauth at The Playlist, asking "Is 'Grown Ups 2' Tracking Better 'Pacific Rim' Why We Can't Have Nice Things?" Ugh! I can't tell you how much that headline annoys me as it seems to suggest Pacific Rim is equal to "nice things" while Grown Ups 2 is not. Based on what I've seen a lobotomy might be "nicer" than either of them.

Firstly, I will never see Grown Ups 2. It look like cinematic torture and, as I sarcastically tell publicists, I never saw the first one so I would be lost watching the second. However, Pacific Rim doesn't look like much of a treat either and bloggers treated to early screenings hosted by Del Toro saying it's a tribute to the "imagination of 13-year-olds" isn't selling me. I believe similar things were said of G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra.

Virtually every piece of marketing I've seen for Pacific Rim resorts to pitch black scenery, loud noises, yelling, monsters and giant robots all set to rancid dubstep. The audio from a recent TV spot has become a running joke on the podcast it's so insanely awful.

So when Kevin suggests the fact audiences would rather see Grown Ups 2 than Pacific Rim does that really imply bad taste or does it simply suggest Grown Ups 2 has managed to energize their target demo (whomever they may be) and Pacific Rim has failed?

I have a hard time believing there will be many audience members watching both films as a Saturday afternoon double feature so if Pacific Rim is tracking poorly I have to assume it's all on Warner Bros. and the film's marketing team. I haven't seen either film so I'm in the same boat as the audiences watching the trailers and as much as it confuses me as to why anyone would be legitimately excited to see Grown Ups 2, based on the marketing I've seen I wouldn't blame anyone for not raising their hand to see Pacific Rim.

With that said, I have question for you:

Pacific Rim vs. Grown Ups 2, Which One are you Seeing?

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  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/JNFilms/ JN Films

    Grown-ups 2 is pretty much a lock for best picture...at the razzies

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/cradleman/ Jonathan

    I refuse to see the first Grown-ups because it looked horrifically stupid, and the sequel somehow looks even worse. I can't see a way I would ever watch either film. For Pacific Rim it could very easily suck, but at the same time, it could be good fun. I enjoy Godzilla films (and other than 1954's Gojira, I would not call any of them masterpieces of cinema) so I'm at least interested in what Pacific Rim has to offer.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/kylejames182/ kyle coley

    i rather watch Pacific Rim by far

  • http://www.iamramiam.blogspot.com Movieram

    Unless Pacific Rim garners stellar reviews, I can pretty well guaran-dam-tee that neither film wilmgetvmy hard-earned dollars.v not even on Blu-ray in the future.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Ryguy815/ Ryguy815

    Grown Ups 2 for me. I am one of the few who actually found the first one enjoyable and I'm a huge Adam Sandler fan and even though it doesn't look as good as the first one, it still looks pretty entertaining so I will be seeing it. Pacific Rim looks pretty good as well but I think I'm going to choose to rent it rather than see it in theatres.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/jgolding/ Justin Golding

    I think Legendary knows that Pacific Rim is going to do disappointing numbers and that's why they want a new distribution deal in place by July 4th. They're going to loss a lot of leveraging power if this flops since The Hangover 3 also did subpar numbers. Anyway, I don't have any interest in both movies and honest to god have no interest in any of the rest of the summer movies except for Elysium and The Wolverine which is kinda sad.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Xarnis/ Xarnis

    You'd have to pay me to see Grown Ups 2. I think Pacific Rim has, at least, some potential to be good.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/kathrynlynn/ kathrynlynn

    I absolutely love how dramatic Brad's writing is somethings...

    "Based on what I've seen a lobotomy might be "nicer" than either of them."

    And I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely enjoy it.

    I picked Pacific Rim out of pure curiosity, since it's been getting such poor reception already. All I know is the hot guy from Sons of Anarchy is in it- and Idris Alba. So that's how they're selling me a ticket.

  • http://nktkomarov.livejournal.com/ Nick

    Simply put, I have enough faith in Guillermo Del Toro to pay and see what he's come up with on his first huge summer tentpole, even if the trailers have been underwhelming.

  • http://themoviegurusblog.blogspot.com The Movie Guru

    Pacific Rim looks amazing. If you watch the Wonder-Con trailer, the story really come through and the visuals look amazing. I don't think that I could sit through Grown Ups 2.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Kessler/ Kessler

    For me, it's Pacific Rim. Unless you're an Adam Sandler fan, I don't see how you could look forward to Grown Ups 2. I'll take giant robots fighting Godzilla on the big screen over Sandler's latest.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Winchester/ Winchester

    This doesn't surprise me. Grown Ups 2 at least has a preceding movie that was a hit to go on. Clearly, a market exists for what it does.

    Pacific Rim has none of that at all. I ticked 'lean towards Pacific Rim' myself.

    I'm more surprised Legendary and WB are parting ways after a seemingly successful partnership the last few years.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/andyluvsfilms/ andyluvsfilms

    i like the new vote-y thing Brad, more of that please. As for the two films, even though there isnt a single Del Toro film that i've enjoyed im still leaning towards Pacific Rim, its the 13 year old in me

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Adu/ Adu

    I'm 32, but that 13 yr old in me wants to see Pacific Rim on the big screen...that said, I have not seen and have no interest in the GI Joe sequel released this year or any Fast and Furious movie; so it's all about what looks appealing going by the trailer and the people behind the scenes of the films; in this case GDT has me intrigued.

    I have zero interest in Grown Ups 2, it should be an easy miss for me since I avoided the first one as well.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Ian/ Ian

    Neither, unless Brad says Pacific Rim is so bad you can make fun of it.

  • http://couchpotatodigest.blogspot.com Matt

    I'm looking forward to "Pacific Rim" the same way I look forward to all the big action films of the summer- I expect it to be a fun time at the movies. Nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't say I'm particularly excited for "Pacific Rim", but I think it could be enjoyable. At the very least, I wouldn't mind paying $10 to see it. "Grown Ups 2", however, looks unwatchable. I can barely sit through the trailers without getting angry. The "comedy" on display is moronic and the Sandler films I've seen ("The Wedding Singer", "Funny People" and "Punch Drunk Love" withstanding) all come off as stupid and borderline offensive.

    But that being said- I fail to see why some bloggers are treating "Pacific Rim" as the second coming of action movies. Del Toro is a great director, but the film looks like a slightly less obnoxious version of "Transformers" and I don't think he's striving to make anything special with this- it's more along the lines of "Hellboy" than "Pan's Labyrinth." And as for the whole "13 year old within" argument- yeah, maybe the film will do that for me, but "Man of Steel" and "Iron Man 3" did to various degrees too. Movies that make me feel like a kid again are fun, but I don't really think about them after I leave the theater (with very few exceptions).

    And I'm not surprised at all by the tracking news. For some reason, Sandler films seem to have a wide appeal. The marketing for "Pacific Rim" has not even tried to appeal to anybody that isn't a fanboy or a 13 year old boy.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Travis/ Travis

    Neither film interests me. However, I feel like this most be noted. I am not an Adam Sandler fan. I haven't even been able to finish one of his "comedies" since the 90s, with the exception of Just Go With It, which I didn't love, but it at least entertained me. However, watching the Grown Ups 2 trailer, I will say that there were moments that got legitimate chuckles out of myself and a [relatively intelligent] audience. Pacific Rim, meanwhile, did nothing but shower me with dubstep, robots and loud noises. Nothing entertained me. The general point is that even if Grown Ups 2 is only entertaining in those three or four moments I chuckled, it will still do more to entertain me than Pacific Rim will. And I know I am going solely on marketing, but that is literally all we have to go on, and if Pacific Rim really had anything impressive to show, they would show us something more than robots punching. I mean, even the Silver Linings Playbook trailer, which built up expectations for a rom-com, still showed enough to show some of its weapons.

    As a fun side story, I posted something similar on The Playlist's article as the first comment, and got called a "Travesty" (get it?) for thinking "trash" is better than "an original story by one of the greatest and most innovative directors of our time." (What has he done since Pan's Labyrinth?)

  • Shane O’Neal

    Saw Pacific Rim at a Nielsen screening, thought it was phenomenal in my personal opinion, so I'll definitely be seeing it over Grown Ups 2.

  • Adam James

    Pacific Rim has a bunch of things going for it that interest me... It's an original (if admittedly highly derivative) property where director Guillermo del Toro was allowed to write and direct a crazy story out of his imagination.

    An interesting storyteller like del Toro getting to do that instead of adapting some existing property where he has to cater to a set fanbase with expectations is indeed a "nice thing" as far as big-budget FX flicks go. Hell, it's a nearly extinct breed of movie-making.

    I also don't have anything against the "13 year old" thing. "The Dark Knight" was a concept for 13 year olds... it was just executed well.

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/SirTrey/ Sir Trey

      Agreed on all counts...Pacific Rim looks like it has the potential to be very, very entertaining, and I tend to enjoy del Toro's style.

      With that said, I got dragged to see the original Grown Ups and, despite my better judgment (and not being much of a Sandler fan at all), I actually found it enjoyable. It's not high art by any means but it wasn't torturous either. Now, I'm not going to make it a point to go see it, but if some friends invited me or an opportunity arose I wouldn't necessarily turn it down either.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Newbourne/ Newbourne

    I'm biased. I'm just physically unable to avoid a movie featuring the one and only Stringer Bell! I'll be watching Pacific Rim opening night.

  • Pax

    Come on, Brad. It's a del Toro's film! Even the worse film he made I've seen (Blade II) is not so that bad. Though I'm not very excited about the giant things in Pacific Rim, but the making of the movie was so way too long. I just wonder how it turns out. Not sure I'm going to see it in the theater, but definitely watch it.

  • Josh McLaughlin

    While I don't know if "Pacific Rim will amount to anything more than "robot-versus-monster battles," I'm willing to give Guillermo del Toro the benefit of the doubt.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/TheJackal/ The Jackal

    Over the past 15 years, a few films have managed to make my inner-13-year-old smile:

    Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
    The Lord of the Rings (2001-2003)
    The Dark Knight (2008)
    Star Trek (2009)
    The Avengers (2012)
    Man of Steel (2013)

    These are all big-budgeted, action-extravaganzas. They are huge, loud, and lots of fun - the kind of films I walk out of with a stupid grin on my face. I enjoy popcorn flicks for what they are. So, despite Michael Bay doing his damndest to ruin giant robots for me, I'm willing to give Pacific Rim a shot. I trust the director of Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth to deliver the goods. The trailers look great. To even compare this film to a sequel to Grown Ups 2 is just in poor taste - regardless of the early tracking numbers.

    Thems the facts

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Chris138/ Chris138

    Pacific Rim does look bad and I've gotta admit that I wouldn't care about it at all if it were someone other than Guillermo del Toro in the director's chair, but I've liked his past work so hopefully there is something more in the film itself that the marketing hasn't been revealing to me.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Aditya/ Aditya

    I haven't watched the first Grown Ups and have no intention in watching the second one either. With Pacific Rim, I find myself growing less interested in the movie with every trailer or article I find about it. The only thing that makes me "lean towards Pacific Rim" is the fact that it is a Guillermo Del Toro movie and I'm hoping it is at least entertaining if nothing else. Having said that, its not a movie I will be rushing to see on its first weekend.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/kash/ kash

    No offense to Brad and the RoS team, but i think anyone who bases their decisions for whether or not to watch a movie, solely on the reviews of film critics...is a nincompoop (i have better words to use, but choose not to.) If critics say the movie sucks, go see it for yourself first. If it really sucks, then well and good. Just don't let the taste of others dictate your own, but rather serve as merely an external opinion that requires your personal validation. If one critic says the movie sucks coz it is childish and geeky, well, i'd still watch it coz i just happen to like childish and geeky. To each his own...

    • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/maja/ maja

      I agree with you to an extent but once you find a film critic you have similar taste with you can pretty much trust them 90% of the time. You can't go see every film out so the advice from critics you trust is very helpful in deciding what to watch.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/maja/ maja

    Unless Pacific Rim manages to get decent reviews there is no way in hell that I'm seeing either.

  • http://www.rabidpictures.com Yaz

    After being as underwhelmed as I was by Man of Steel, I'm really looking forward to Pacific Rim for some mindless entertainment and hopefully, some fun. I know you're not looking forward to it Brad, but to me this is spectacle at its best. At the rate this summer is going, I may end up leaving that theatre liking it the best out of anything else this year.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/navaneethks/ navaneethks

    Not interested in either. Based on the reviews I might check out Pacific Rim. Just maybe

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Kimberlesk/ Kimberlesk

    I'm in the minority that is really excited to see Pacific Rim. I think Robots vs. Monsters on a giant scale looks like a lot of fun. I love a good summer/popcorn blockbuster movie. I don't expect great acting or a great story -- but I do expect great special effects. I'm a del Toro fan. I also enjoyed Grown-Ups, but will wait for dvd or streaming for the sequel.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Django/ Django

    It's weird hearing a Guillermo Del Toro film get some much flak, he's usually a critically acclaimed god. But either way, i have zero aspirations of EVER watching Grown Ups 2. I've done a stellar job of avoiding the first film so far.

    Pacific Rim has a good cast and has potential for some amazing action sequences. So, Pacific Rim wins out.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Roger/ Roger Judd

    I enjoyed Grown Ups. It made me laugh, can't ask for more. I don't need everything to be The Hangover or Ted to make me laugh out loud.

    What's wrong with Grown Ups at all? I mean, it's a family comedy that appeals to adults and is not too kiddy with talking animals or some other cliché? I dunno, this seems to get a lot of unncessary bashing. If you don't like it, just move on lol

    • Joseph Bridges

      So wasting your money is not big deal. If you dont like a restaurant, you talk badly about it and vote with your money by not going back. Grown Ups made me laugh too, but I saw it for free and would have been pretty angry at spending $11 and using up 2 hours I could have spent seeing something else.

      I know I'm an extreme case of budgeting my money, but below is how I figure on whether I should see a movie:

      I spend my free time as if it it's money (Free time =$20/hour) and I figure in 1 gallon of gas for driving (minimum $3 where I live), and $11 for a regular movie ticket so therefor seeing Grown Ups would have cost me $54 to see in the theater and $44 to get it out of Redbox to see at home. The above equation is why I avoid 3D charges and "premium" movie experiences like the plague because I see about 70 films a year in the theater.

  • Chris Etrata

    If Grown Ups 2 does beat Pacific Rim, this will be the latest example of what is wrong with moviegoing today. Do audiences think that Pacific Rim is too complicated, or will they just refuse to see anything that doesn't have a proven name or brand. Even if Pacific Rim looks to be more developed, at its heart, the idea of monsters and robots fighting should still excite kids, especially those that saw the dumba** transformers live action films. There's a reason why Spielberg, Lucas, and David Lynch are having bleak thoughts for the future of cinema. Because the moviegoing audience that want something emotional and smart is being giving away to dumb audiences who only care about fart jokes, and proven clichés and names. The tracking alone is a big fu to all of us wanting something different or at least more than just action.

  • http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile/Zevastian/ Zevastian

    Being honest Pacific Rim looks worse with every trailer or spot that I see but that's when the fact that it's directed by Del Toro comes in and just because of that I'm gonna give it a try. I really have faith in him and I have loved almost everything he does (directed or produced) except for Mama (D+) and Don't Be Afraid of the Dark (D+). I really hope he surprises me this time and prove me I'm wrong.

  • https://twitter.com/TooMuchHamza Hamza Zain

    Personally I want to see neither. If you held a gun to my head, I'd see Pacific Rim though. I have a 10 year old brother who, along with his friends and family members of around the same age, all think that Grown Ups 2 look like their version of Monty Python. I'm assuming kids around this age are going to be seeing it. While it should be the opposite, seeing as Pacific Rim looks like something a 10 year old would love, I think marketing has dropped the ball on getting buzz out there.

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  • Joseph Bridges

    Pacific Rim should be some fun nonsense.

  • http://anonynoustheatre3000.blogspot.com.au/ Neutral3

    Whoever groaned about people interested in seeing Grown Ups 2 over Pacific Rim needs to get their head checked. If you did the same thing by tracking who would be interested in watching Fast and Furious Six or Before Midnight because they're held at the same weekend, it only works if you look at what they rather watch. A mass audience would see people drive fast cars than watch 82 minutes in where a conversation between Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy goes on and on. The situation between two movies at both polar end of the spectrum isn't a matter of taste and for the people who would watch Grown Ups 2 still have a slight interest in watching Pacific Rim.