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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I did as instructed and watched the rest of &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/forum/showthread.php?t=930&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;started a thread here&lt;/a&gt; so we could keep this one sort of to the whole Cinematic Revival subject and primarily &lt;i&gt;Throne of Blood&lt;/i&gt;.

However, I thought it was interesting that it seems the only way to get people chatting is to not like a film. Just look at the fun we are having with this one as well as the response I got for my &lt;i&gt;Juno&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Blade Runner&lt;/i&gt; pieces. The one thing I will admit is that whether I like the films or not, it is a lot of fun discussing them with other movie lovers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I did as instructed and watched the rest of <i>Ran</i> and <a href="http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/forum/showthread.php?t=930" target="_blank">started a thread here</a> so we could keep this one sort of to the whole Cinematic Revival subject and primarily <i>Throne of Blood</i>.</p>
<p>However, I thought it was interesting that it seems the only way to get people chatting is to not like a film. Just look at the fun we are having with this one as well as the response I got for my <i>Juno</i> and <i>Blade Runner</i> pieces. The one thing I will admit is that whether I like the films or not, it is a lot of fun discussing them with other movie lovers.</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, I had that discussion with Laremy already as he told me BTDKYD is probably a movie I would watch before The Namesake which means it may not be my worst film of the year. However, I wouldn&#039;t watch any of those ten films again so I won&#039;t take any of it back. I do know that I would want to kill myself if I had to watch BTDKYD again, at least The Namesake doesn&#039;t have those awful flashback transitions. I wanted to commit murder every time they happened.

As for Ran, I will go watch the last 30 minutes right now. I still have the DVD and I will report back. I don&#039;t think it will change my opinion on the whole film since my problem isn&#039;t with the story as much as it is with how long it is and how long it takes for everything to play out.

We&#039;ll see what happens, but you understand this is preventing me from playing Uncharted on my brand new PS3 right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, I had that discussion with Laremy already as he told me BTDKYD is probably a movie I would watch before The Namesake which means it may not be my worst film of the year. However, I wouldn&#039;t watch any of those ten films again so I won&#039;t take any of it back. I do know that I would want to kill myself if I had to watch BTDKYD again, at least The Namesake doesn&#039;t have those awful flashback transitions. I wanted to commit murder every time they happened.</p>
<p>As for Ran, I will go watch the last 30 minutes right now. I still have the DVD and I will report back. I don&#039;t think it will change my opinion on the whole film since my problem isn&#039;t with the story as much as it is with how long it is and how long it takes for everything to play out.</p>
<p>We&#039;ll see what happens, but you understand this is preventing me from playing Uncharted on my brand new PS3 right?</p>
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		<title>By: SaraMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaraMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a second... &lt;i&gt;Before the Devil Knows You&#039;re Dead&lt;/i&gt; was your worst film of the year, and yet you can understand why some of us liked it (admittedly not near as much as so many others - there was no reason for it to be told out of sequence) and yet you can&#039;t fathom why just as many of us liked &lt;i&gt;The Namesake&lt;/i&gt;?  Seems to me that it might not be the worst film you saw last year after all... ;)  Maybe overpraised and underwhelming (for you, not necesarilly for others), but doesn&#039;t sound like absolute worst material to my delicate ears.

Now, if only I could figure out how we got so amazingly off topic maybe I&#039;d actually have something truly interesting to talk about. :)

(Side point: David is right, you do at least have to go back and watch the final thirty or so minutes just to see that final battle - one of the greatest ever filmed - as well as discover what happens to a certain evil sister-in-law. You might change your mind about the rest of the picture.  I&#039;m just sayin...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a second&#8230; <i>Before the Devil Knows You&#039;re Dead</i> was your worst film of the year, and yet you can understand why some of us liked it (admittedly not near as much as so many others &#8211; there was no reason for it to be told out of sequence) and yet you can&#039;t fathom why just as many of us liked <i>The Namesake</i>?  Seems to me that it might not be the worst film you saw last year after all&#8230; ;)  Maybe overpraised and underwhelming (for you, not necesarilly for others), but doesn&#039;t sound like absolute worst material to my delicate ears.</p>
<p>Now, if only I could figure out how we got so amazingly off topic maybe I&#039;d actually have something truly interesting to talk about. :)</p>
<p>(Side point: David is right, you do at least have to go back and watch the final thirty or so minutes just to see that final battle &#8211; one of the greatest ever filmed &#8211; as well as discover what happens to a certain evil sister-in-law. You might change your mind about the rest of the picture.  I&#039;m just sayin&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me, I knew I would take crap for saying I didn&#039;t really like &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt; and couldn&#039;t get into it. I debated on whether or not saying it because I didn&#039;t know if I would have the energy to defend my position. I am not saying parts of it weren&#039;t entertaining and no I didn&#039;t get to the end battle, the first big one was enough for me and it left me wanting... I didn&#039;t think there was enough story to validate the long running time. It was simply tedious in my opinion. Oddly enough I LOVE the long as hell &lt;i&gt;Seven Samurai&lt;/i&gt; so go figure.

I may try and revisit it some time down the line, but for now I just couldn&#039;t get into it, which is really the problem. I never got into it actually.

Now David, as for The Namesake and Before the Devil Knows You&#039;re Dead...

The Namesake is a total bore, both Kal Penn and Jacinda Barrett were wrong for that movie. The entire thing was way too heavy handed. As for BTDKYD, that was an exercise in seeing just how long we could string out the smallest of stories. However, with BTDKYD I can at least see where some people enjoy it, if you haven&#039;t read The Namesake I am at a loss as to how someone could enjoy that film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me, I knew I would take crap for saying I didn&#039;t really like <i>Ran</i> and couldn&#039;t get into it. I debated on whether or not saying it because I didn&#039;t know if I would have the energy to defend my position. I am not saying parts of it weren&#039;t entertaining and no I didn&#039;t get to the end battle, the first big one was enough for me and it left me wanting&#8230; I didn&#039;t think there was enough story to validate the long running time. It was simply tedious in my opinion. Oddly enough I LOVE the long as hell <i>Seven Samurai</i> so go figure.</p>
<p>I may try and revisit it some time down the line, but for now I just couldn&#039;t get into it, which is really the problem. I never got into it actually.</p>
<p>Now David, as for The Namesake and Before the Devil Knows You&#039;re Dead&#8230;</p>
<p>The Namesake is a total bore, both Kal Penn and Jacinda Barrett were wrong for that movie. The entire thing was way too heavy handed. As for BTDKYD, that was an exercise in seeing just how long we could string out the smallest of stories. However, with BTDKYD I can at least see where some people enjoy it, if you haven&#039;t read The Namesake I am at a loss as to how someone could enjoy that film.</p>
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		<title>By: davidfrank</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;SaraMichelle said:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?&lt;/i&gt;  You didn&#039;t like &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt;?  Them there are fightin&#039; words!! *laugh*

Seriously, though, like &lt;i&gt;No Country for Old Men&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;There Will Be Blood&lt;/i&gt; I think you should give it another chance.  &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt; is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest films I have ever seen in my entire life.  Every time I watch it the thing completely blows me away.  The drama. The passion. The horror.  The pure cinematic bliss of Kurosawa at the very top of his game.  Like Shakespeare&#039;s &quot;King Lear&quot; on which it is based, the film is admittedly tough and uncompromising, but it is also highly lyrical and, just from a visual level, absolute poetry for the eyes.  This is the movie (along with &lt;i&gt;Star Wars&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Citizen Kane&lt;/i&gt; - is that a cliche or what?) that made me want to become a critic.  I&#039;ve seen it two dozen times at least and it&#039;s never grown old.

But hey, what do I know.  I still think you&#039;re smoking crack for putting &lt;i&gt;The Namesake&lt;/i&gt; on your worst-of-the-year list. ;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Brad, I have to agree with her 100%--well I differ on whether you were smoking crack for hating The Namesake, I thought you were smoking it while watching Before the Devil Knows You&#039;re Dead:). Anyways, did you  get to the bigass battle at the end, hard find that Not entertaining? Yojimbo has always  been my favorite Kurasawa flick, but Ran I believe is his best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>SaraMichelle said:</b> <i>What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?</i>  You didn&#039;t like <i>Ran</i>?  Them there are fightin&#039; words!! *laugh*</p>
<p>Seriously, though, like <i>No Country for Old Men</i> and <i>There Will Be Blood</i> I think you should give it another chance.  <i>Ran</i> is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest films I have ever seen in my entire life.  Every time I watch it the thing completely blows me away.  The drama. The passion. The horror.  The pure cinematic bliss of Kurosawa at the very top of his game.  Like Shakespeare&#039;s &quot;King Lear&quot; on which it is based, the film is admittedly tough and uncompromising, but it is also highly lyrical and, just from a visual level, absolute poetry for the eyes.  This is the movie (along with <i>Star Wars</i> and <i>Citizen Kane</i> &#8211; is that a cliche or what?) that made me want to become a critic.  I&#039;ve seen it two dozen times at least and it&#039;s never grown old.</p>
<p>But hey, what do I know.  I still think you&#039;re smoking crack for putting <i>The Namesake</i> on your worst-of-the-year list. ;)</p></blockquote>
<p>Brad, I have to agree with her 100%&#8211;well I differ on whether you were smoking crack for hating The Namesake, I thought you were smoking it while watching Before the Devil Knows You&#039;re Dead:). Anyways, did you  get to the bigass battle at the end, hard find that Not entertaining? Yojimbo has always  been my favorite Kurasawa flick, but Ran I believe is his best.</p>
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		<title>By: SaraMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaraMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?&lt;/i&gt;  You didn&#039;t like &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt;?  Them there are fightin&#039; words!! *laugh*

Seriously, though, like &lt;i&gt;No Country for Old Men&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;There Will Be Blood&lt;/i&gt; I think you should give it another chance.  &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt; is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest films I have ever seen in my entire life.  Every time I watch it the thing completely blows me away.  The drama. The passion. The horror.  The pure cinematic bliss of Kurosawa at the very top of his game.  Like Shakespeare&#039;s &quot;King Lear&quot; on which it is based, the film is admittedly tough and uncompromising, but it is also highly lyrical and, just from a visual level, absolute poetry for the eyes.  This is the movie (along with &lt;i&gt;Star Wars&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Citizen Kane&lt;/i&gt; - is that a cliche or what?) that made me want to become a critic.  I&#039;ve seen it two dozen times at least and it&#039;s never grown old.

But hey, what do I know.  I still think you&#039;re smoking crack for putting &lt;i&gt;The Namesake&lt;/i&gt; on your worst-of-the-year list. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?</i>  You didn&#039;t like <i>Ran</i>?  Them there are fightin&#039; words!! *laugh*</p>
<p>Seriously, though, like <i>No Country for Old Men</i> and <i>There Will Be Blood</i> I think you should give it another chance.  <i>Ran</i> is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest films I have ever seen in my entire life.  Every time I watch it the thing completely blows me away.  The drama. The passion. The horror.  The pure cinematic bliss of Kurosawa at the very top of his game.  Like Shakespeare&#039;s &quot;King Lear&quot; on which it is based, the film is admittedly tough and uncompromising, but it is also highly lyrical and, just from a visual level, absolute poetry for the eyes.  This is the movie (along with <i>Star Wars</i> and <i>Citizen Kane</i> &#8211; is that a cliche or what?) that made me want to become a critic.  I&#039;ve seen it two dozen times at least and it&#039;s never grown old.</p>
<p>But hey, what do I know.  I still think you&#039;re smoking crack for putting <i>The Namesake</i> on your worst-of-the-year list. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I was just trying to watch Kurosawa&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Ran&lt;/i&gt; and as much as I know everyone likes that film I did not like it all that much. My biggest issue was with the length of the whole thing. It isn&#039;t as if it is a bad story, but it is so freaking tedious and uninteresting. Sure, there are some great moments, especially with Taro&#039;s widow, but damn if it wasn&#039;t boring. I actually didn&#039;t make it through the whole thing.

Oh well, I still have more of his on the way from Netflix, never give up on finding more gems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was just trying to watch Kurosawa&#039;s <i>Ran</i> and as much as I know everyone likes that film I did not like it all that much. My biggest issue was with the length of the whole thing. It isn&#039;t as if it is a bad story, but it is so freaking tedious and uninteresting. Sure, there are some great moments, especially with Taro&#039;s widow, but damn if it wasn&#039;t boring. I actually didn&#039;t make it through the whole thing.</p>
<p>Oh well, I still have more of his on the way from Netflix, never give up on finding more gems.</p>
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		<title>By: SaraMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaraMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s such an odd thing to hear (and causes me a bit of deja vu), &quot;turned off by the filmmaking,&quot; I have to admit.  It is definitely the one criticism you&#039;d never expect levied against Kurosawa on any of his pictures.

I have to admit to feeling pretty much the same way about his last film, &lt;i&gt;Dreams&lt;/i&gt;.  I&#039;ve tried watching it five different times and I still can&#039;t seem to make it all the way through. There is something about the director&#039;s style and cinematic language on that one that just keeps escaping me. I mentioned that once to another critic and he said it was impossible for any real film lover to be &quot;turned off&quot; by Kurosawa.  I tried to explain to him I wasn&#039;t turned off by the director, not in the slightest, I just had trouble with the way he chose to narratively and visually tell his story.

Maybe that&#039;s how you felt about this one.

Reading your essay, I almost went to Amazon and purchased the film just so I could examine it again.  Instead I bought an HD copy of &lt;i&gt;Pan&#039;s Labyrinth&lt;/i&gt;.  

Oh well.  Maybe next time!  You can never have too much Kurosawa in your home library, after all. :popcorn:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s such an odd thing to hear (and causes me a bit of deja vu), &quot;turned off by the filmmaking,&quot; I have to admit.  It is definitely the one criticism you&#039;d never expect levied against Kurosawa on any of his pictures.</p>
<p>I have to admit to feeling pretty much the same way about his last film, <i>Dreams</i>.  I&#039;ve tried watching it five different times and I still can&#039;t seem to make it all the way through. There is something about the director&#039;s style and cinematic language on that one that just keeps escaping me. I mentioned that once to another critic and he said it was impossible for any real film lover to be &quot;turned off&quot; by Kurosawa.  I tried to explain to him I wasn&#039;t turned off by the director, not in the slightest, I just had trouble with the way he chose to narratively and visually tell his story.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#039;s how you felt about this one.</p>
<p>Reading your essay, I almost went to Amazon and purchased the film just so I could examine it again.  Instead I bought an HD copy of <i>Pan&#039;s Labyrinth</i>.  </p>
<p>Oh well.  Maybe next time!  You can never have too much Kurosawa in your home library, after all. :popcorn:</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really all I think this film is good for, a 15-20 year revisit, but I also think it is one most people that love film should see simply because it is a great adaptation of Macbeth and worth it just for that. It is the filmmaking that turned me off a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s really all I think this film is good for, a 15-20 year revisit, but I also think it is one most people that love film should see simply because it is a great adaptation of Macbeth and worth it just for that. It is the filmmaking that turned me off a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: SaraMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaraMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to come up with a good response to your reaction to this one and for some reason the right words keep elluding me. I think the problem is I saw this film about fifteen or sixteen years ago with my father while I was still in High School, and while I remember really loving it some of the specifics are hard to grab on to.  That said, my fondness for this entry in the Kurosawa oevre is still pretty high and reading your piece only makes me want to go back and see it again so I can craft a better comment than this little bit of nothing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve been trying to come up with a good response to your reaction to this one and for some reason the right words keep elluding me. I think the problem is I saw this film about fifteen or sixteen years ago with my father while I was still in High School, and while I remember really loving it some of the specifics are hard to grab on to.  That said, my fondness for this entry in the Kurosawa oevre is still pretty high and reading your piece only makes me want to go back and see it again so I can craft a better comment than this little bit of nothing here.</p>
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