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UPDATED: With a $300+ Million Budget How Does 'Avatar' Make Its Money Back?

That's a lot of money

Jeffrey Katzenberg, James Cameron and Steven Spielberg
Photo: Art Streiber for TIME

UPDATE: Josh Quittner, author of the TIME article discussed in this post, commented below saying the $300 million number in his article is an error and it should have read $200 million. I have left the end of this post as it was before, but what is said there no longer really applies to Avatar as a result of this news.

TIME has posted a three-page feature article headlined "3-D: The Future of Movies" taking a look at the future of 3-D movies with an emphasis on Digital 3-D and several upcoming 3-D features such as Monsters vs. Aliens and the new 3-D-ified versions of Toy Story, but there is a lot of talk about James Cameron's hotly anticipated holiday 2009 release Avatar which is expected to revolutionize the format.

Reading the article you will learn facts about making films in 3-D such as how the computational power of DreamWorks' render farm puts it roughly among the 15 fastest supercomputers on the planet, how making a film 3-D adds about 15% to its cost and how digital 3-D movies usually gross at least three times as much as their flat-world counterparts.

The piece looks at the history of 3-D leading up to today and ends with a look at the future with a focus on Cameron's Avatar, a film in which the author of the TIME piece, Josh Quittner, got a look at and brings the following nuggets of information:

Cameron's Avatar, due in December, could be the thing that forces theaters to convert to digital. Spielberg predicts it will be the biggest 3-D live-action film ever. More than a thousand people have worked on it, at a cost in excess of $300 million, and it represents digital filmmaking's bleeding edge. Cameron wrote the treatment for it in 1995 as a way to push his digital-production company to its limits. ("We can't do this," he recalled his crew saying. "We'll die.") He worked for years to build the tools he needed to realize his vision. The movie pioneers two unrelated technologies–e-motion capture, which uses images from tiny cameras rigged to actors' heads to replicate their expressions, and digital 3-D.

Avatar is filmed in the old "Spruce Goose" hangar, the 16,000-sq.-ft. space where Howard Hughes built his wooden airplane. The film is set in the future, and most of the action takes place on a mythical planet, Pandora. The actors work in an empty studio; Pandora's lush jungle-aquatic environment is computer-generated in New Zealand by Jackson's special-effects company, Weta Digital, and added later.

I couldn't tell what was real and what was animated–even knowing that the 9-ft.-tall blue, dappled dude couldn't possibly be real. The scenes were so startling and absorbing that the following morning, I had the peculiar sensation of wanting to return there, as if Pandora were real.

Cameron wasn't surprised. One theory, he says, is that 3-D viewing "is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2-D viewing doesn't." His own theory is that stereoscopic viewing uses more neurons. That's possible. After watching all that 3-D, I was a bit wiped out. I was also totally entertained.

If you are like me those descriptions were enough to get you excited for the film and as much as I would like to get an early peek as well it sounds like something that would be amazing to get a first look at the first time you walk into the theaters as only a 3-D trailer could possibly mirror the presentation.

However, the one thing that stands out and smacks you in the face is the mention of a $300+ million budget. What? That is astronomical. As does Peter at SlashFilm, I am assuming this can't include marketing and publicity costs. So how does this film make its money back?

Sure, when the film releases on December 18 in standard theaters and IMAX there will be more 3-D theaters to put it in and IMAX brings in additional monies, but does this mean this film needs to make something like $600 million just to break even? And that's working on a 50/50 split with theater owners and the studio as well as saying it will stick to a $300 million budget. Talking strictly domestic numbers here, that would mean the film would be right up there with Cameron's already all-time top grossing film Titanic. If he were to own the #1 and #2 slots at the all-time box-office it would be quite an amazing accomplishment.

Check out the article for yourself right here it is well worth the read.

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I'm getting the feeling that Avatar will be like watching movies for the first time all over again.

- Sound Designer Dan
( March 20th, 2009 | 2:24 am )
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I don't think Avatar will be a financial succes but if we look back in about 20-30 years we might say Avatar is where it all began.

- rattler76
( March 20th, 2009 | 4:12 am )
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Hi–I'm sorry to say: That $300 million is in error. We're correcting it shortly on the website and in a correction in the next issue. The number should be $200 million, per Fox…

- Josh Quittner
( March 20th, 2009 | 8:58 am )
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At $300 million once you add in advertising there is no way on gods green earth that this is making money, or breaking even based on US dollars.
That’s a fairly bold statement but I justify it like this…
Other than the Star Wars and ET Science Fiction traditionally doesn’t make huge money at the box office (this of course depends on what you consider Science Fiction). Add to that the fact that this movie is not just mysterious to most people; its non existent. If I say Avatar to my non movie friends I get a room full of blank stares.
I hope this movie is great, and the tech does revolutionize the business and NO ONE wants this to be MASSIVELY successful more than me (excluding the people bankrolling it) because its success would mean more Sci Fi and maybe more risk on potentially great projects.
That just isn’t realistic.
Even at $200 million maybe this gets into the black but… maybe not. I just do not see a huge audience for this.

- Ross
( March 20th, 2009 | 1:06 pm )
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They said the same thing with Titanic, calling it disaster before it even screened. But that did have wide appeal. Families, old and young all went to this movie for different reasons. This is the only thing that worries me, echoing Ross's concern that this may not have the same broad base to finance it.

However Jim isn't stupid, I have faith in him, he's banking on tie in's, a game, etc. Or, it may be just that good. I hope that once it leaves the screens they will consider releasing it as 3D for the home HD market. THATS when he gets his money. Although I realise that 3D (mark II) is the new teaser to get bums on seats in cinemas, just as Imax and even Widescreen, and 3D (mark I) was before it. After Widescreen and HD formats were accepted as the default in the home, 3D has became the next thing to entice us back.

I for one hate going to the cinema now. Parking, expensive tickets, cellphones, munchers, seat kickers, chatter boxes, heads in the way all lead to a bad movie experience. I wait, buy it on DVD or Blu-Ray, watch it with better picture and sound with plenty of drink and friends at home. Cinema maybe dying and 3D is part of its death throws, HD is the cause.

- mostlyharmless
( March 20th, 2009 | 4:00 pm )
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Hey, that's Wall-E (or at least some variation of him) right next to Spielberg in the picture

- junjun
( March 21st, 2009 | 12:26 am )
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Here's why "Avatar" will be a huge success at the box office (particularly the worldwide box office):

(1984) The Terminator $78.4 million
(1986) Aliens $131.1 million
(1991) Terminator 2 $519.8 million
(1997) Titanic $1.8 BILLION (that's with a "B")

Since 1984 (or for the past 2.5 DECADES), everything James Cameron touches turns to gold. That's because he's very choosy about his projects. He is an incredibly "technical" director. While he may not always draw Oscar-Worthy performances from his actors (see Leo DiCaprio in Titanic or Awnuld in True Lies), his movies always deliver the goods that mass audiences (and even critics) want to see. All the money is right there on the screen. Titanic may not be the greatest film every made, but I defy anyone to watch the last hour of the film and not be blown away by absolutely breathtaking visuals.

Will Avatar beat out Titanic for the top spot? No. Still, I expect a box office of around $800 million.

- Quake82
( March 21st, 2009 | 10:27 pm )
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Nice publicity/marketing technique for Avatar … while the 80% of the TIME article is redundant, it sure as hell reassured me that the film is going to kick copious amounts of ass!

- mihirkula
( March 22nd, 2009 | 9:53 am )
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PS: Imagine 'Titanic' with a different background score and no 'My heart will go on' ….. would it have made $1.8 Billion? Nopes

Cameron's movies heavily depend on the score … Terminator 1 and 2, Aliens, True Lies, Titanic all have iconic scores. Wonder if anyone else has noticed that by now.

All eyes/ears on James Horner's music for Avatar

- mihirkula
( March 22nd, 2009 | 9:58 am )
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@mihirkula: I never noticed that but it makes a lot of sense.

True Lies is a great film LOL. I love Arnold in it.

- aulelia
( March 23rd, 2009 | 6:01 pm )
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