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This Roman Polanski Chatter is Simply Out of Control

Everyone has an opinion, but what is really being said?

Did you know read what Debra Winger, standing in as Zurich Film Festival jury president, was quoted saying with regard to Roman Polanski's recent arrest? "We hope today this latest order will be dropped [as] it is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead but for minor technicalities," she said. "We stand by and wait for [Roman Polanski's] release and his next masterwork."

What? Does she even know what she is saying? Does the addition of "minor technicalities" in that statement make it any better? I would be interested to hear her explanation as to these "technicalities," and if it's that simple why wouldn't Polanski have returned to the U.S. since he fled 31 years ago? Doesn't Polanski's continued time abroad as well as requests to have the charges dropped insinuate he would return if he wasn't worried about facing the music these minor technicalities?

Like I said when I posted the news saying director Roman Polanski was taken into custody in Zurich and was facing extradition to Los Angeles, I wasn't going to get into the debate as to what should and what should not happen, but Winger's insistence that the entire matter be washed away because it's a 31-year-old case is plain and simple lunacy. The only reason it's a "three-decade-old case" is because Polanski fled the United States and hasn't returned since.

Yeah, I know all about Judge Laurence J. Rittenband's treatment of the case and his fear his original sentence would be looked at as too lenient, which caused him to botch the entire proceedings only to watch Polanski runaway without sentencing, but that by no means implies the matter has been resolved.

The facts of the case are simple, Polanski plead guilty to unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl, an incident that also included at least half a tablet of Quaalude as well as champagne. None of that has changed and I'm not sure how a matter of 31 years plays a part.

David Thomson at The Guardian gives the best rundown of the facts of the case and the incidents that led us to where we are today:

The explanation comes quickly. It needs no more than a single paragraph. On 11 March 1977, Polanski was arrested in the lobby of the Beverly Wilshire hotel by Detective Philip Vannatter (a cop who would figure in the OJ Simpson case). The Polish film director was charged as follows: giving Quaaludes to a minor; child molestation; unlawful sexual intercourse with that minor; rape by use of drugs; oral copulation; sodomy. The girl was 13, though Polanski would say that she looked older.

The rape had occurred in the house of Jack Nicholson, a place Polanski used as he wished. In the legal negotiations that followed, Polanski never denied the charges, but they were dismissed under the terms of the plea bargain by which he pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor. With a view to proper sentencing, the judge – Laurence Rittenband – ordered that Polanski be confined for psychiatric examination. That led to 42 days' confinement in the Chino State Prison over the 1977-8 period. In that examination Polanski was passed as fit to stand trial. It was the director's understanding that the 42 days in Chino would satisfy punitive instincts. There might be a fine, too, but he would be freed. Then, just before sentencing, Polanski heard that Rittenband was ready to break the agreement – because he feared public criticism of a verdict that seemed too lenient on Polanski. And so, fearing further imprisonment, Polanski broke bail and flew by British Airways to London in February 1978. He has never been back to the US.

All of this was covered in Marina Zenovich's 2008 documentary Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired (my review here) and is the reason for a lot of people coming out of the woodwork insisting he already served his time and just because the judge feared there would be public criticism of his decision doesn't mean a decision at one point was not reached.

Is 42 days in the Chino State Prison and an assumed fine enough of a punishment? Yes or no, does it really matter? It's what was expected to be handed down and Polanski was ready to oblige. It's here we get to Debra Winger's defined "minor technicalities," but if they were so minor I don't think Polanski would be in the situation he is today.

In the non-stop attempt to cover this circus we find some pushing their own product as The Auteurs did a round-up of Polanski chatter from around the web all while being sure to shill the fact they have Polanski's Knife in the Water available for free online streaming. While you're there maybe you'd like to buy a Criterion Blu-ray or two eh?

The Hollywood Reporter hits us with the most important news saying production on his upcoming film The Ghost is left in limbo… Uh, no kidding. He's in jail.

Tom O'Neil has his own concerns, polling his readers asking "Did Roman Polanski really deserve to win the Oscar?" and then wondering "What do you think is Roman Polanski's greatest film?," all while Joe Leydon recalls a 1986 interview he had with Polanski in which he asked him about his possible return to the United States. The interview can be found here.

Next are the belligerent rants of others that are getting worked up over some facts while dismissing the previously mentioned Judge Rittenband run around and arranged plea. Whether you like it or not, Rittenband's part in this is a very important piece of the conversation.

While I rarely read or agree with David Poland he wrote the sanest and most down-to-earth piece on the matter realizing everything involved in this case cannot be looked at singularly, but as the several pieces to a messed up pie. It's the reason I said I couldn't weigh in with an opinion.

Of course, while I say this the legal mumbo-jumbo is already underway as France has appealed to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton for Polanski's immediate release from Swiss jail. Jack Lang, a former French culture minister, was quoted in the New York Times saying, "Sometimes, the American justice system shows an excess of formalism, like an infernal machine that advances inexorably and blindly." Hard to find fault in that statement, but does any of that make a difference? Didn't Polanski still commit statutory rape? To which you say, Didn't he already serve his 42 days? Hard to argue either side, but 42 days seems to have a stronger case regardless of whether you think it is a fitting punishment.

Others bring up the fact Polanski survived the Holocaust where his mother was killed in Auschwitz. Later in life, his wife, Sharon Tate, and the child she was carrying were slaughtered by the Manson gang. Taking that part of the story even further there's the coincidence that Susan Atkins, one of the Manson gang and someone who admitted knifing everyone in sight that night, died in prison just last week. Oh, and yes, Samantha Geimer has since forgiven Polanski, but last I checked that doesn't matter once you've already been convicted. However, the first two facts surely played a part in Polanski's 42 days in Chino for psychiatric examination. So they have already played their part.

Then there are the theories as to why Polanski was even arrested at all and Jeff Wells points me to a Michael Wolff article at Newser saying the reason is revenge, a chance for the prosecutor to cover his ass and the inevitable press coverage. I don't know about the revenge stuff, but Wolff's continued insistence that Zenovich's documentary kick-started everything is on the button and is what makes everything that is going on right now far from coincidental. It's a calculated saving face effort, but where things go from here is unforeseeable.

David Poland's final statement is the one statement I can wholly agree with:

Finally, I must say, if the US does not demand extradition of [Polanski] in this situation, then the charges must be dropped fully. Holding him on a string of the threat of prosecution is not right if the government does not feel strongly enough to prosecute.

This needs to come to an end and if the United States needs to decide if this is important enough to move forward on or just drop it entirely.


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I hope it gets sorted soon, and I hope Polanski is free to go. I'm not going to get an argument about the whole thing, whether he deserves to spend time in jail or whatever.

They'd also better hurry up with a biopic before Mathieu Amalric gets too old.

- Nudgoo
( September 29th, 2009 | 1:54 am )
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"Samantha Geimer has since forgiven Polanski, but last I checked that doesn't matter once you've already been convicted."

Do your homework. The man was not convicted. He just pleaded guilty and fled. He is still waiting to be convicted. So that means he is not (yet) guilty. That's what I call a wonderful law system. What has the US been doing for the last 31 years? Gathering evidence? The man SAID he was guilty. Maybe the US waited for him to show up in Switzerland? HE OWNS A HOUSE THERE!!! Can somebody please explain why the Americans suddenly woke up? Why now? Why not in Cannes or a shit load of other places where he has been given awards?

FROM BRAD: Yes, he was convicted and you can find several sources around the Internet discussing his conviction whenever they bring up the case. Here are a few links to visit if you don't believe me: CNN, CBS News, The Australian, Times Online, Toronto Star, New York Post and The Wall Street Journal.

In 1978 he was convicted in California on one count of having sex with an underage girl and then skipped the jurisdiction before he could be made to pay the penalty for it. Hope that helps. Am I done with my homework?

- Dude
( September 29th, 2009 | 4:43 am )
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all of this is imaterial. the statue of limitations do not run when someone flees bail. if that person is ever captured and ruturned to the court, the clock continues to click. if you have jumped bail it does not matter if you are gone 1 day, 1 year, 10 years, 31 years or a 100 years. the storey remains just like the day you left. right, wrong or indifferent mr polanski has to face the court system and finalize the process. it does not matter that his parents were killed by the nazis, it does not matter that his wife was murdered by the manson gang, all of that is immaterial. the question on the table is mr polanski druged, raped and sodimized a 13 year old girl. it is imaterial whether she has forgiven him or not. our laws are written so this should not happen. if anyone trespasses agains the law, they have an opportunity to face the legal system. that is how you and i would be treated, and thats how roman polanski should be treated.///// that is the rational argument, but all of you pro and con people should read the court transcripts of that 13 year old girls testimony. that is an eye opener. i wonder if ms debra winger had a 13 year old girl that was raped and sodomized and the alleged perpetraitor went on the lamb. i wonder if she would stick up for mr polanski then?

- farstar40
( September 29th, 2009 | 7:04 am )
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Debra Winger is awesome, and I am with her on this. If the then 13 year old girl can lety it go, so can legal system…ugh!

- Vincent
( September 29th, 2009 | 7:49 am )
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Evasion is against the law. The court told him to show up at a certain day/time and he didn't. The fact that this has lasted for over three decades is because Polanski chose not to return.

Commit a crime, live in Europe, get off the hook. That would set a terrible precedent, regardless of his directorial abilities.

- GregM
( September 29th, 2009 | 8:47 am )
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Ok, what he did was certainly wrong but we are talking about a crime that he commited over thirty years ago and a victim that has since forgiven him and doesn't think he should be sent to jail. The justice system is meant to benefit the victim and what kind of a system are we embracing if we actually turn a deaf ear to the victims voice and ignore them. If we do that it's only because of his fame and not because of the crime that he commited.

- colin
( September 29th, 2009 | 9:10 am )
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@Dude:

You also need to "do your homework" (as you have oft repeated here). Polanski was convicted the second he plead guilty. Go ahead, look up the word "convicted," and see what it means. He ran before he was sentenced, therefore he has not served any time, in the view of the court of law. By fleeing to a country where there is no extradition treaty with the U.S. we just couldn't go grab him anytime we felt like it. So, in affect, he has skirted the U.S. law for 31 years because he was too SCARED to pay the penalty.

While times, attitudes, and views have changed since 1977 it will not change the fact that he was never sentenced for the crime he freely admited to committing. I don't see why he cannot "cowboy/man up" and face the sentencing now, as with all the mitigating circumstances now raised, which would most likely amount to time served or a fine.

- Nathan
( September 29th, 2009 | 9:35 am )
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Here are the two most daming pieces…

1. Roman's court transcriptions
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea1.html

2. The 13 year olds court transcriptions
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0610081polanski1.html

- Paddytom
( September 29th, 2009 | 10:25 am )
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I was going to comment, but GregM said it better then I could.

- Steve
( September 29th, 2009 | 1:51 pm )
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dude! Mathie Almeric would be an amazing Polanski!

- Gilmore
( September 29th, 2009 | 4:26 pm )
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First let me say, regarding the fact that the victim has asked that this case be dismissed. I don't blame her. Who wants to eternally be the 13 year old girl who was drugged and raped by a director? Where were the parents? It all smacks of that scene from "The Godfather" where the mother delivers her pretty little girl to the director's house. You might remember that he wakes up one morning to the bloddy head of his prized horse laying in his bed with him.

But whether she forgives him or not, should have no standing in this case. Also of no importance is the fact that Polanski survived the Holocaust or that his wife and unborn child were famously murdered. If suffering and grief excused deviate predatory behavior, the streets…much less the expansive homes of celebrities…would not be safe for pretty young boys and girls.

It is really too bad that the orginal prosecution got caught up in celebrity. But it doesn't change the facts that he committed the crime by his own admission, was found guilty and then fled the country. This guy couldn't have afforded lawyers to appeal? No sympathy here except for the justice system.

- Patricia
( September 29th, 2009 | 6:45 pm )
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genius or not,he drugged and raped a 13 years old teen girl,he goes to jail!

- pomme
( October 1st, 2009 | 6:14 pm )
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