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	<title>Comments on: Spike Lee Condemns Clint Eastwood&#039;s &#039;Iwo Jima&#039; For Its Absence of Black Soldiers</title>
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		<title>By: RaTTleR_NL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaTTleR_NL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the thing with a lot of WWII movies, they rarely hit the mark completely but isn&#039;t that just a bit too difficult?
Allthough having a few black soldiers, even just as extra&#039;s, wouldn&#039;t have been to much of a problem.

With such a huge &quot;event&quot; as WWII it&#039;s hard to incorporate everything unless you have a movie that&#039;s more specific in its subject like Windtalkers.

However I do see the point tho because I have a similar problem: 
Every movie that deals with the concentration camps is allways about the jewish victims. My father and uncle are Auschwitz survivors and their father died in Sachsenhausen. No movie will ever be about them or all the other non jewish victims.
Mentally handicapped, homosexuals, gypsies, slavic people and so many many others are simply forgotten by Hollywood. People nowdays don&#039;t even know about them because they&#039;re educated thru movies and TV that leaves them out.

It&#039;s insulting to just ignore them and it deminnishes the lessons that can be learned. That anyone can be a victim and that so many PEOPLE fought for the freedom of others as well as theirs. 
They all should be honored and remembered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the thing with a lot of WWII movies, they rarely hit the mark completely but isn&#039;t that just a bit too difficult?<br />
Allthough having a few black soldiers, even just as extra&#039;s, wouldn&#039;t have been to much of a problem.</p>
<p>With such a huge &quot;event&quot; as WWII it&#039;s hard to incorporate everything unless you have a movie that&#039;s more specific in its subject like Windtalkers.</p>
<p>However I do see the point tho because I have a similar problem:<br />
Every movie that deals with the concentration camps is allways about the jewish victims. My father and uncle are Auschwitz survivors and their father died in Sachsenhausen. No movie will ever be about them or all the other non jewish victims.<br />
Mentally handicapped, homosexuals, gypsies, slavic people and so many many others are simply forgotten by Hollywood. People nowdays don&#039;t even know about them because they&#039;re educated thru movies and TV that leaves them out.</p>
<p>It&#039;s insulting to just ignore them and it deminnishes the lessons that can be learned. That anyone can be a victim and that so many PEOPLE fought for the freedom of others as well as theirs.<br />
They all should be honored and remembered.</p>
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		<title>By: BeautifulM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeautifulM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;bradbrevet said:&lt;/b&gt; I tend to agree with you a little more than the others, primarily because it isn&#039;t as if Spike is speaking only about these two films. If you click over and read the entire article it is obviously a culmination of things. I didn&#039;t want to reprint the entire thing so I left out the part that says:

It wasn&#039;t a direct quote from Lee so I left it out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh I had already read about it on the internet.

But I think both of Clint&#039;s movies were based on books,so I don&#039;t think Clint can be blamed for that. I do see what Spike is saying as a whole though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>bradbrevet said:</b> I tend to agree with you a little more than the others, primarily because it isn&#039;t as if Spike is speaking only about these two films. If you click over and read the entire article it is obviously a culmination of things. I didn&#039;t want to reprint the entire thing so I left out the part that says:</p>
<p>It wasn&#039;t a direct quote from Lee so I left it out.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh I had already read about it on the internet.</p>
<p>But I think both of Clint&#039;s movies were based on books,so I don&#039;t think Clint can be blamed for that. I do see what Spike is saying as a whole though.</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 00:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;BeautifulM said:&lt;/b&gt; I agree with Spike, my grandfather and his brothers served in World War II, but if you look at Hollywood , you would barely recognize that Blacks served in that war at all. In my opinion, it doesn&#039;t matter if it was less than 1%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I tend to agree with you a little more than the others, primarily because it isn&#039;t as if Spike is speaking only about these two films. If you click over and read the entire article it is obviously a culmination of things. I didn&#039;t want to reprint the entire thing so I left out the part that says:
[QUOTE]Lee said that rewriting Second World War history was typical of Hollywood. The Dirty Dozen was among the few films that showed the contribution made by African-American soldiers, he said. White heroes played by John Wayne and other Hollywood stars had until now overshadowed the sacrifice of brave heroes of colour who laid down their lives for their country, he added.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It wasn&#039;t a direct quote from Lee so I left it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>BeautifulM said:</b> I agree with Spike, my grandfather and his brothers served in World War II, but if you look at Hollywood , you would barely recognize that Blacks served in that war at all. In my opinion, it doesn&#039;t matter if it was less than 1%.</p></blockquote>
<p>I tend to agree with you a little more than the others, primarily because it isn&#039;t as if Spike is speaking only about these two films. If you click over and read the entire article it is obviously a culmination of things. I didn&#039;t want to reprint the entire thing so I left out the part that says:<br />
[QUOTE]Lee said that rewriting Second World War history was typical of Hollywood. The Dirty Dozen was among the few films that showed the contribution made by African-American soldiers, he said. White heroes played by John Wayne and other Hollywood stars had until now overshadowed the sacrifice of brave heroes of colour who laid down their lives for their country, he added.<br />
It wasn&#039;t a direct quote from Lee so I left it out.</p>
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		<title>By: BeautifulM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeautifulM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Spike, my grandfather and his brothers served in World War II, but if you look at Hollywood , you would barely recognize that Blacks served in that war at all. In my opinion, it doesn&#039;t matter if it was less than 1%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Spike, my grandfather and his brothers served in World War II, but if you look at Hollywood , you would barely recognize that Blacks served in that war at all. In my opinion, it doesn&#039;t matter if it was less than 1%.</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you guys read the quotes he is actually referring to both films. I only used the one for the headline. Also, Spike never said it was racist.

Oh, and I am sure you both return to Mystic River religiously for a quick pick-me-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you guys read the quotes he is actually referring to both films. I only used the one for the headline. Also, Spike never said it was racist.</p>
<p>Oh, and I am sure you both return to Mystic River religiously for a quick pick-me-up.</p>
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		<title>By: SaraMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaraMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Andre here.  I could maybe see it with &lt;i&gt;Flags of Our Fathers&lt;/i&gt;.  That was the American side of the story, after all, and with so many soldiers going this way and that in that one a Black extra here or there wouldn&#039;t have exatly been too much of a stretch to see.  My gut tells me it was an oversight, especially because looking at Clint&#039;s directorial filmography he&#039;s not exactly been anything close to a racist.

In &lt;i&gt;Letters from Iwo Jima&lt;/i&gt;, though, I just don&#039;t get the complaint.  That was the Japanese side, after all, and there were maybe four or five American soldiers in the whole gosh darn movie.  It seems like an odd thing to complain about and I think Eastwood is making the right choice just not answering the question.

Andre&#039;s also right about the other thing... &lt;i&gt;Mystic River&lt;/i&gt; seriously ruled, definitely up there with the best things Clint has ever directed alongside &lt;i&gt;Letters from Jima&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;White Hunter, Black Heart&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Bird&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;The Outlaw Josey Wales&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;High Plains Drifter&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;The Bridges of Madison County&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Play Misty for Me&lt;/i&gt;. (&lt;i&gt;Unforgiven&lt;/i&gt; is his certified masterpiece.  As much as I love those others that one is still head and shoulders above them all.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m with Andre here.  I could maybe see it with <i>Flags of Our Fathers</i>.  That was the American side of the story, after all, and with so many soldiers going this way and that in that one a Black extra here or there wouldn&#039;t have exatly been too much of a stretch to see.  My gut tells me it was an oversight, especially because looking at Clint&#039;s directorial filmography he&#039;s not exactly been anything close to a racist.</p>
<p>In <i>Letters from Iwo Jima</i>, though, I just don&#039;t get the complaint.  That was the Japanese side, after all, and there were maybe four or five American soldiers in the whole gosh darn movie.  It seems like an odd thing to complain about and I think Eastwood is making the right choice just not answering the question.</p>
<p>Andre&#039;s also right about the other thing&#8230; <i>Mystic River</i> seriously ruled, definitely up there with the best things Clint has ever directed alongside <i>Letters from Jima</i>, <i>White Hunter, Black Heart</i>, <i>Bird</i>, <i>The Outlaw Josey Wales</i>, <i>High Plains Drifter</i>, <i>The Bridges of Madison County</i> and <i>Play Misty for Me</i>. (<i>Unforgiven</i> is his certified masterpiece.  As much as I love those others that one is still head and shoulders above them all.)</p>
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		<title>By: andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Mystic River ruled</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Mystic River ruled</p>
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		<title>By: andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even remember any American soldiers in Iwo Jima. You hardly saw them, give me a break.  Out of 70,000 American oldiers who landed in Iwo Jima, 900 of them were black. (wikipedia bitches!) That&#039;s only a little more than 1% so no I dont think its much of a point since the odds of seeing a black person on the island was so low. If there was a more substantial number I would feel Spike a little on this but I just don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t even remember any American soldiers in Iwo Jima. You hardly saw them, give me a break.  Out of 70,000 American oldiers who landed in Iwo Jima, 900 of them were black. (wikipedia bitches!) That&#039;s only a little more than 1% so no I dont think its much of a point since the odds of seeing a black person on the island was so low. If there was a more substantial number I would feel Spike a little on this but I just don&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: bradbrevet</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradbrevet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So are you saying it isn&#039;t a valid opinion? By saying it is the only way Lee gets coverage is not saying anything about the matter at hand.

Also, those two films are nowhere near Clint Eastwood&#039;s best films (in my opinion). Unforgiven is easily his best (that I have seen) and Letters and Flags are both pretty much on the awful side right along with Mystic River.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are you saying it isn&#039;t a valid opinion? By saying it is the only way Lee gets coverage is not saying anything about the matter at hand.</p>
<p>Also, those two films are nowhere near Clint Eastwood&#039;s best films (in my opinion). Unforgiven is easily his best (that I have seen) and Letters and Flags are both pretty much on the awful side right along with Mystic River.</p>
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		<title>By: roblovescash</title>
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		<dc:creator>roblovescash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what the fuck? is this the only way spike lee gets coverage anymore, by pointing out that there is no black soldiers in one of clint eastwoods best film. clint or lee, hmmm, i&#039;ll go with clint eastwood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what the fuck? is this the only way spike lee gets coverage anymore, by pointing out that there is no black soldiers in one of clint eastwoods best film. clint or lee, hmmm, i&#039;ll go with clint eastwood.</p>
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