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Is It Possible ‘Hulk’ 2008 Could Do Worse Than ‘Hulk’ 2003?

Bad buzz makes its way even to the New York Times

I thought this was an odd place for the status of Universal’s The Incredible Hulk to be questioned, but I’ll take it. The New York Times has posted an article titled “What’s Big and Green, and Desperate to Be a Hit All Over?” that opens with a gut shot to Hulk-hopefuls:

Bad buzz. Creative infighting. Superhero gridlock at the multiplex. For Marvel Studios, handling gamma rays is starting to look like a cakewalk compared to turning “The Incredible Hulk” into a movie franchise.

The article then carries quotes from the likes of Stan Lee who sounds less than enthused saying, “My prediction is that it will be more popular than the last one,” while at the same time saying Paramount’s Iron Man will be an “enormous hit.”

Bad buzz refers to the late arriving trailer as several fans weren’t too impressed. Personally I avoided watching it with hopes of going in as fresh as I possible could. Then there are the talks of fighting going on between star/screenwriter Ed Norton and the producer types.

Mr. Norton and Marvel, which has the right of final approval on the film, have sparred in recent weeks over trims, among other issues, said studio executives involved, who asked to remain anonymous as they were not authorized to speak publicly. Mr. Norton — who was hired to rewrite the script along with playing the lead — has made it clear he won’t cooperate with publicity plans if he’s not happy with the final product, these people said.

Universal’s marketing prez goes on to say how the Hulk trailer generated more streams online than any previous Universal trailer (big deal) and how the film has the largest number of licensing and promotional partners of any Universal project in 2008 (duh). These aren’t earth shattering details.

One thing I thought was interesting were the details on how the 2008 Hulk will be different than the 2003 Hulk.

  1. This time Hulk will be a uniformed 9 feet tall and will not vary in size based on his anger level.
  2. The film will lay down Bruce Banner’s loser tendencies and portray him as more of a hero
  3. The new movie will stick closer to the television show (whatever that means).
  4. Banner’s eyes glow bright green when he starts to get angry.

My problem with all of this, and something I would have thought Universal would have already picked up on, is that the comic book fans are going to turn out no matter what. It’s the general audiences that need to be impressed. Comic fans are certainly more likely to nit pick things such as the size of the Hulk (I never noticed that) or whether or not Banner’s eyes glow green. However, general audiences are just going to want a good movie.

Take Ghost Rider for example. Ghost Rider is an awful movie and anyone that says otherwise I would never take their opinion on the quality of a film. Ghost Rider ended up making $115 million at the box-office. Main reason being comic book fan support. And who can blame them? They want to see a guy with a flaming skull riding around on a motorcycle, and they got it. However, had the film actually been good that number could have easily swelled to $200 million.

The biggest question is how good the new Hulk will be. The first film scored a 61% at RottenTomatoes and earned north of $132 million domestically. I would say if the new flick comes up short of $150 million Ang Lee’s Hulk wins, something I am sure Universal desperately does not want to happen.

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Hulk 2003 was a brilliant film that did not do as well as it should because it didn’t pander to its most juvenile audience members by starting off with enough gratuitous violence. I expect Brevet’s favorite film this year will be Speed Racer. Too bad that most eight year olds will find it too juvenile for them.

- NeoPoliticus
( April 10th, 2008 | 5:58 pm )
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Ahhhh, the typical Internet comment… I am not sure why you are targeting me with your comment, I was just relaying what was said in the article. As for what you said, I am actually looking forward to Speed Racer and I also gave Lee’s Hulk a positive review both in theaters and on DVD.

- bradbrevet
( April 10th, 2008 | 6:07 pm )
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I have been reading your wesite for a few years and i love it i think its a very well done site. But to the point i enjoyed the 2003 hulk film thought it ran a little long for most people but to me i didnt mind it and i didnt mine the CGI either in a world with shit CGI but this one i am looking forward to seeing it but im going into it with an open mind because i remember reading that they view this kinda as Batman Begins with no relation to 2003 hulk so i will view this just as another story not a follow up. As for what neo said about speed racer theres no harm in being excited for a movie best thing about movies are sometimes you go to just have fun and speed racer looks like a good time. so yeah hope you dont mind the long post take care

- Ziemer90
( April 10th, 2008 | 10:47 pm )
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Don’t mind long posts at all Ziemer and happy to see a new face in the comments.

I agree, Hulk 2003 didn’t bother me all that much either. I think we can all pretty much agree the ending was pretty bad, but for some reason I look at it as a guilty pleasure. My main interest in the new film is the Edward Norton factor, I love the guy as an actor and like Downey in Iron Man, the mere fact they are involved makes them that much more intriguing.

- bradbrevet
( April 11th, 2008 | 12:06 am )
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i agree on the ending with the hat turning green and such not a fan. but i also agree alot with norton leading the film on and also writting it and to be honest having tim roth brins a smile to my face as well because he can play a good bad guy (the only thing i liked in 2001 planet of the apes) and having downey jr in iron man was another thing that made me smile when i first read it. im most interested in the dark knight and have been since they first said it was being made but the main reason im interested in all these films is because of what they could be and i hope they are what i hope they will be

- Ziemer90
( April 11th, 2008 | 12:41 am )
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I’m new to posting comments, so forgive me if I end up rambling too much… The first Hulk film was good by most standards, not if you compare it to Xmen (1 & 2) or Batman Begins. That said, I still find myself watching it whenever it comes on, I think it’s mainly due to Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly, without them the movie would have been much much worse. Regarding the new Hulk; which I don’t understand the reasoning for the remake, why isn’t it a sequel instead of a "redo"? Edward Norton is a very talented actor, so I can see that the new version should do well; but, bottomline, I don’t see it doing "better" then the last one. Question: Aren’t there enough comic characters [new and old] to make movies, rather than remaking something recent?

- melsgirl
( April 11th, 2008 | 1:02 am )
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good point but i think its because they already know that "Hulk" sells so they want to play it safe and go with something that will make money (not sure if enough) but that will make money rather than a new comic book film but hopefully that changes

- Ziemer90
( April 11th, 2008 | 1:18 am )
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Ziemer90 said: good point but i think its because they already know that "Hulk" sells

That’s the big question… Will it sell? As cool as I think the Hulk is on a visual level, I am not sure how easy he will be to build a franchise around. People were already turned off by the human conflict in Lee’s film, but I wonder if they will be interested in the new version more which seems like it will be more of an all out smash fest. There is a delicate balance that needs to be reached, but it may be too hard to do.

However, when it comes to comic films, Dark Knight is definitely top on my list, but Iron Man is a close second.

And "melsgirl" nice to have you around! As for your question, I really don’t know comics until they are made. I have actually never read a comic book. :( Unless the Sin City novels count?

- bradbrevet
( April 11th, 2008 | 2:14 am )
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I am a big Marvel fan and have been reading their comic books for years (can even say decades) and I really liked Hulk 2003. Reading the comments here I can see I’m not alone. Why did it get so many negative reactions? What was so wrong with it according to the ‘critics’?

As melsgirl points out Jennifer Connelly and especially Eric Bana made it a good one to watch.
If you look at the Hulk history from the comic book, Banner was a tortured soul because of the result of the accident. Losing control (in some form or another) is one of mans biggest fears. Now mr. Norton has to be more of a hero type as Banner.
It was the human aspect that made the Hulk and Spiderman comics so popular. Ordinary people with real emotions and fears who find themselves in extraordinary situations. Eric portrayed that so well and as he showed even much much more in Troy, he’s a fantastic actor.
I’m carefully curious what Ed can do with the character when Eric is still so fresh in my memory.

Following the crowd I’m allso eagerly awaiting Iron Man and The Dark Knight.
But to answer your question melsgirl, yes. There are legions of comic book character in the Marvel universe alone to make movies of.
Maybe Captain America could get a new movie (if you’ve seen the first one, he needs it) and may I suggest Bishop (x-men), Black Panther, Cable, Avengers (good follow up for Iron Man) or anything with Apocalypse or Thanos because a good superhero movie needs a great supervillain.

- RaTTleR_NL
( April 11th, 2008 | 4:01 am )
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I agree RaTTleR_NL, Bishop, Cable and Avengers would be great additions to the comic hero movie realm. I would anxiously await (stand in line) for any of these to hit the theaters. And, I am exhaustively awaiting Dark Knight, while I’m still not real sure Iron Man is on my MUST SEE list - mainly because I have a hard time seeing Downey as Stark; however, I generally lean more towards going. Cuz? Well, it’s a comic hero, it reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons from my childhood, and what better way to spend an extended midday lunch hour from work.

Ah, but back to Hulk, since it is the thread’s topic…
I actually have a difficult time picturing Edward Norton as Banner. He’s a talented actor, but I just don’t see him in this role. Anyway, it’s probably more like Ziemer90 states… "Hulk" sells so they want to play it safe and go with something that will make money
Sounds pretty clear to me.

And, YES - bradbrevet - Sin City definitely counts [great movie, one of THE best in 2005, and great comic]!

- melsgirl
( April 12th, 2008 | 1:58 am )
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well all we can do is wait and see i thought from what i saw from the teaser that the CGI looked good but other than that i wont judge anything else i hope its good and i have faith that Norton will pull this roll off since he wrote it (but there is always death to smootchy hanging in my mind) but i think the movie will be good, nothing groundbreaking that Batman Begins was but good. One thing i really hope though is that it touches on the dark parts of the hulk

- Ziemer90
( April 13th, 2008 | 12:49 pm )
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