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Is 'Watchmen' the Next '300'? – Take Two

Another look at the same question with a different approach

Billy Crudup as Jon Osterman in Watchmen
Photo: Warner Bros.

When I brought up an article idea with David with the question, "Do you think Watchmen will be the next 300?" I didn't elaborate any more than the question alone. I asked if he thought it was an article he thought he could tackle and he was up for it. He was as you can read here.

Now, one of the reasons I don't have a lot of writers on this site, despite having a "Write for RopeofSilicon" link at the bottom of every page is that I like my opinion and while I welcome arguments I like to make sure my opinion is clearly stated. This had me wondering if I should give David a ring and explain what I meant by the question and what angle I wanted him to take. I decided against that since having someone write about really would have been more my opinion than theirs would be silly. Luckily, David didn't take the same direction on the question I would have gone and now we have dueling editorials. Which one is right? That is up to you.

David approached the question from a "yes" or "no" opinion and while he offered up ways Watchmen may loosely be like 300 his ultimate verdict was "no". However, on top of taking that angle at the question he also approached it from a creative aspect whereas I was actually wondering about it from more of a business and audience perspective. I was motivated by the idea that in 2006 virtually no one was talking about 300 until its impressive debut at the 2006 San Diego Comic Con. I had mentioned it a couple of times noting the casting of Gerard Butler and Lena Heady as well as an article announcing the launch of the official site. At that time, and up until Comic Con no one was anticipating the film would end up making $70.9 million on opening weekend, especially in March, and ultimately take in over $210 million domestically and more than $450 million worldwide.

300 came out of nowhere and it had a lasting impression. With Watchmen coming from the same director, the same studio and releasing only three days shy of 300's second anniversary I can't help but wonder how the two will compare. They do, however, have drastically different upbringings.

As I have said, 300 pretty much came out of nowhere. It's safe to assume the impact Sin City had on fanboys was good reason for Warner Bros. to move on another Frank Miller adaptation, especially considering Sin City managed almost $75 million at the box-office on a budget of $40 million. 300 was made for $65 million and that extra $25 million certainly paid off.

In comparison I have read reports the budget on Watchmen is in the range of $100 million, a number I am assuming Watchmen will hit at the box-office, but my question is whether or not it will be able to become the box-office star 300 ended up being.

Warner Bros. is already planning on several DVD/Blu-ray versions of the film and on top of the production budget for the film there are also marketing costs and so forth. Hell, Summit spent a rumored $60 million on the marketing of Twilight, a book everyone and their mother has now heard of. What will Warner Bros. need to do to promote a film based on an acclaimed, but relatively little known, graphic novel in an effort to convince audiences to see it?

We can talk dollars all day long, but the next hurdle will be the audience themselves. 300 was an action packed brawl filled with half-naked men, nudity and CG blood galore. It was an ultra violent film that actually managed to earn female audience members thanks to the lack of clothing and ripped abdominals. There was a little something for everyone in 300 and the violence was stylized enough to the point female moviegoers could enjoy the man meat while their boyfriends and husbands enjoyed the slaughter. Watchmen, if done right, will not be able to claim the same demographic.

Watchmen is not an action packed superhero movie. Sure, it has its action set pieces and it has some outlandish violence, but when I brought up the question to Snyder at Comic Con he realizes it's a drama more than anything else. He told me:

Yeah, it's a drama. I always say to marketing, "You can show all the action. You want to show all the action it's awesome." Because in a normal comic book movie if you show all the action there's nothing else to show, you've run out of stuff. With "Watchmen" I don't feel that way at all and I feel now, as the campaign starts to amp up for what the movie is, and with the help of you guys, I think that's the process – you can't take "Watchmen" to pop culture, you have to bring them to the movie. For instance, if I made a version of "Watchmen" which was easily understandable by mass culture it wouldn't be the book, it wouldn't be "Watchmen". In that way, I think when people see it and they're like, "What the fuck is that?" I think that's right, that's the right step.

So, when I ask will Watchmen be the next 300 the answer most certainly is "No." So does that mean it shouldn't expect similar box-office returns?

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I understand your article and the other article completely, and I also understand why exactly you two say what you say. But I disagree, and my main reasoning is based on the ticket returns for "The Dark Knight."

There's a meat-head side of us and a more intelligent side of us. The meat-head side is easiest (for most) to connect to, but when something truly amazing comes along, like "The Dark Knight," we'll sure as hell connect. What's more, we'll want to connect again and again. That Warner Brothers is producing the film makes me feel very confident that Zack Snyder got a chance to make a great film that is faithful to the novel, just the way it should be.

First, let's look at its opening weekend gross. It'll be big. $530-million-worth of people went to see TDK in theaters this year, and every single one of them saw a trailer for "Watchmen." I know they also saw a trailer for "Body of Lies," which didn't help its box office at all, but I must point out that "Watchmen" was THE trailer that everyone was talking about. People are really looking forward to it. So… butts will be in the seats on March 6. Low end estimate gives it a $50 million opening; high end, $85 million. But I'm expecting $70 million, like "300."

The following weeks? If the film is faithful to the graphic novel, and if it's TRULY good, people will come back, even if it wasn't the meat-headedness they were looking for. How many people walked into TDK on July 18th looking for intelligent entertainment? Not a lot of people, I'll bet. But that's the reason why they returned. It was intelligent and emotionally engaging (come to the think of it, the latter might be the larger reason). I expect "Watchmen" to be the same. Similar to "300," it'll probably have a 3X multiplier for its final box office tally, taking in about $210 domestically. Worldwide, however, I don't expect it to be as big.

I also want to take issue with the idea that girls won't like it as much. I know quite a lot of girls who are totally looking forward to this movie. One is like: "I'm going to get my dad to see it by telling him that it's an action movie based off a graphic novel, and I'm going to get my mom to see it by telling her it has Billy Crudup." College people are very aware of this film, and with its R-rating, that's the audience that'll bring in the greatest box office receipts.

In anything other than box office numbers, however, it's unfair to compare "300" to "Watchmen." Their links are: 1) same director 2) same production company (Warner Bros.) 3) same medium for the original source (graphic novel). But the same could be said about "A Clockwork Orange" and "Eyes Wide Shut"–they both were directed by Kubrick, both being produced by Warner Bros., and both were based off a novel. And yet nobody was calling EWS "The Next Clockwork Orange?" No, they didn't, and it most certainly wasn't. It was totally awesome in a way entirely different from ACO's awesomeness. The same will be true for "Watchmen" and "300."

- JM
( November 24th, 2008 | 3:13 pm )
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