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Here Comes the 'Tropic Thunder' Retardgate

They want Congress to label it as 'hate speech'

NOTE: The word "retarded" is used in this article, but I want you to know it is not used out of hatred or malice. It is used in conjunction with the argument at hand. I only say this to encourage constructive conversation should you decide to comment on the article and its language. I realize the word "retard" and "retarded" are sensitive words that can arouse emotions just as can the words "nigger" and "spic", which are also used in this article, and once again, not in any attempt to breed hatred but in line with the topic at hand. If you do have a comment after reading the article it is welcomed, but please also try to be sensitive if you decide to use these words as well.

According to the New York Times a national boycott of Tropic Thunder is set to begin today as a coalition of disabilities groups claims the movie openly ridicules the intellectually disabled. Timothy P. Shriver, chairman of the Special Olympics, told the Times, "Not only might it happen, it will happen." Shriver's group and others are expected to picket the movie's premiere on Monday evening in the New York Westwood district.

The problem seems to derive from the use of the word "retard" in reference to a spoof film portrayed by one of the characters in Tropic Thunder, a film that spoofs the film industry itself. The use of the word in the film comes as Ben Stiller's character portrays an intellectually disabled person in a movie-within-the-movie called Simple Jack and a subsequent scene in which the phrase "nobody goes full retard" is used by Robert Downey Jr. playing Kirk Lazarus, an Australian Oscar-winner who goes through skin pigmentation alteration in order to play an African American in the film.

Chip Sullivan, a DreamWorks spokesman, is quoted in the Times article describing the film as "an R-rated comedy that satirizes Hollywood and its excesses and makes its point by featuring inappropriate and over-the-top characters in ridiculous situations." The best part is that Sullivan also says, "No changes or cuts to the film will be made." Let me tell you why this is a good thing and it is not me advocating the use of hate speech against the intellectually disabled as that seems to be the proper terminology.

Shriver is actually taking his case to Congress hoping for a resolution condemning what he called the movie's "hate speech" and calling for stronger federal support of the intellectually disabled. "The most disappointing thing, the most incredible thing, is that nobody caught it," said Shriver. Personally, I don't think Shriver "caught it" and by "it" I mean the film's true intention.

Ben Stiller and Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder
Photo: DreamWorks Pictures

In Tropic Thunder Ben Stiller plays the character Tugg Speedman, an actor known for playing an action star, but he has a desire to be respected as a "real" actor and not just someone that can star in action films in which things blow up and people shoot guns. In his attempt for such notoriety he takes on a role of a character named Jack in a film called Simple Jack. Jack, is a severely intellectually disabled character and the underlying message in the film is that this move was over the line. The film's tagline is, "Once upon a time there was a retard." To put it plainly the film flopped due to how severely disabled Jack was.

In a scene in the film Speedman has a conversation with Lazarus about the role and it goes as follows:


If you weren't able to catch it, the intention of the scene, and the character in Simple Jack, is not to make fun of intellectually disabled people, but instead to poke fun at the way they are portrayed and used in Hollywood to garner praise on actors and films. Lazarus references Forrest Gump and Rain Man saying how both the main characters weren't "full retard". What isn't shown in the clip above is a reference to Sean Penn's performance in I Am Sam and how it didn't win the Oscar. We are led to believe because Penn acted too "retarded". Of course Hoffman and Hanks both won for their performances in Rain Man and Forrest Gump.

If you are digesting the scene properly you should come away realizing Lazarus is pointing out that acting "retarded" and passing it off as an "art form" and saying you are an "artist" is stupid and is just one more example of Hollywood's patronizing approach to the disabled. On top of that, the whole point of saying "you never go full retard" is saying, in not so many words, that it is offensive to take it to such extremes. No one does it. Why does no one do it? Because it's offensive.

I actually never saw I Am Sam for the reasons Tropic Thunder points out. It became obvious Hollywood was using the disabled in an attempt to gain prestigious attention. We were on an overload of actors using disabled characters as Oscar bait for too long. At the point of the film's release in 2001 we already had Rain Man in 1988, My Left Foot in 1989 and Forrest Gump in 1994. Dustin Hoffman won for playing a man in Rain Man that was autistic, not retarded. Daniel Day-Lewis won for playing Christy Brown in My Left Foot, a man with cerebral palsy, not retarded. Tom Hanks won for playing a man in Forrest Gump that was certainly not retarded; actually I can't remember if they ever said what disease caused Forrest to be a little "different" but he certainly wasn't retarded. The point being that Stiller's character in Simple Jack (by way of Tropic Thunder) had taken it too far. What Mr. Shriver of the Special Olympics does not seem to understand is that the film itself basically agrees with him and he is just too naive to realize it.

Now, on top of all things Shriver wants the film to be labeled hate speech? Did I miss something here? Where are we living? Hate speech? Really?

Hate speech, to me, would be to walk up to a disabled person and call them "retarded", laugh in their face and mock them. That, should not be tolerated and I wouldn't mind if a law was passed against folks like that. Hate speech is calling an African American a "nigger" or calling a person of Hispanic descent a "spic" or any other myriad of words used to demean and spew hatred on any person or group of people. Again, pass a law against these folks, I am sure the majority won't mind.

Of course, I am a white American male with a middle-class upbringing and I have no real right to speak on any certain terms for any person or group dealing with hate speech. It would be ignorant of me to say words don't hurt people because they can, but I do think if people in Mr. Shriver's position want to start a boycott against a film or any other art form they should take a second to look at the intent of what they are boycotting. What does he think the true intent of Tropic Thunder is? It appears he thinks it intends to hate on the disabled, but I can't see how he can come to that conclusion especially after how dumb Stiller's character was made to look for being proud about his performance in Simple Jack as evidenced from the clip above. That is just me.

David C. Tolleson, executive director of the Down syndrome group who saw the movie, told the New York Times he "came out [of the screening] feeling like I [he] been assaulted." I really don't know what to say about that quote, but I am sure he wouldn't mind elaborating if you give him a call.

The Down syndrome group, the Special Olympics, the Arc of the United States, the National Down Syndrome Congress, the American Association of People With Disabilities and others are expected to begin their boycott today and I am sure we have not heard the last of this. The controversy surrounding The Golden Compass last year was tame in comparison to this, but hopefully something good comes out of it.

I don't think this film encourages hate speech or will influence people to degrade people with mental handicaps. I am someone that believes people that would do that already have a problem and are going to do that regardless of what happens in a Ben Stiller comedy. Of course I am speaking of those that have the sense to realize what is right and what is wrong. I find it hard to know what ignorant people may be thinking and due to their ignorance I tend to ignore them.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter and hopefully after you have seen the film after it releases this Wednesday you will come back and share your opinion then as well.

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Look, we can either tolerate certain kinds of comedy and satire, or we have to ban it all. Most comedy comes down to making fun of somebody. You can't pick and choose who you are going to be outraged on behalf of.

What about movies that make fun of geeks, nerds, cops, criminals, lawyers, fat people, skinny people, old people, adults, children, parents, single people, married people, ugly people, beautiful people, politicians, religious people, drunks, drug addicts, teachers, college students, convenience store clerks, animals, aliens, people with funny voices, and the list goes on. How many randomly picked comedies do you think it would take to fill that list? Probably not very many.

That doesn't include stand-up comedians.

Also, the double standards that exist about who can say what is something that really makes me mad.

I'm not sure whether I'm looking forward to seeing protesters in front of the theater. I have the bad habit of calmly and reasonably ripping fools when they deserve it. It's too much fun, and I shouldn't enjoy it, but I do.

- kettch
( August 11th, 2008 | 1:18 am )
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This Shriver guy just seems like one of those guys that is just waiting for something like this to happen. I am Hispanic and if there was a film out there making fun of Hispanic people and calling us spics, I wouldn't boycott it. I just wouldn't watch it. But I'm sure that someone would. If it was a comedy, and there was a reason behind the comments, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

My point is that there is always someone out there that is going to want to put a stop to something. These people are stupid and they make me sick.

A side note: I think I may be a little 'slow' because you posted that poster Simple Jack and I didn't notice that it was Ben Stiller playing the 'retard'. I just noticed. That looks hilarious and I can't wait to see this 'hate speech' filled movie.

- ravidlaz
( August 11th, 2008 | 1:35 am )
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Yeah, it's really hard to draw a line. I think these boycotters are blowing this way out of proportion.

- adu
( August 11th, 2008 | 1:43 am )
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Hmmm, I really don't know what to say and here I thought Al Sharpton was going to have a problem. I haven't even seen this movie and I get it. The film is making fun of Hollywood and how stereotypical Hollywood is, at least that is what I got from the trailers. I am utterly confused as how someone who has seen the film can't understand that. I have a mentally disabled person in my family so I understand their concern, but protesting over nothing is a bit much.

I went on a date with this guy and when we saw the trailer he said that he didn't like how Robert Downey Jr. was in Blackface and talking in that manner. I tried and tried to explain to him what the movie was about and he just didn't get it ( or a second date for that matter). It was so darn frustrating.

- BeautifulM
( August 11th, 2008 | 1:45 am )
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Bugs me how people will make a big deal out of something and put so much time and effort into proving how wrong it is…yet they wont take the time to think about what was accually being said or protraid. Mabey they could have a problem with the fact that there calling the people "retards" but saying this is hate speach???? come on it makes no sense. The real problem I have with it is that now people who dont know anything about this will read what these people have writen or hear what there saying and assume there right, and join them in boycoting the movie…who know why people do what they do anymore.

- JD92
( August 11th, 2008 | 3:10 am )
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JD92 said: ….yet they wont take the time to think about what was accually being said or protraid.

Exactly. And how many times has this kind of thing happened before.

Dogma for instance where people claimed it was an attack against god. Which it wasn't at all. Quite the opposite actually, it was however poking fun at organised religion and in that way giving a commentary on it.
Kevin Smith couldn't believe it when he heard about the protests and then actually joined the protesters.
No one noticed which clearly shows these people had no idea what they were protesting against.

Great bit Brad, I couldn't agree more.
And JD92 got to the root of the problem, people use their mouths quickly but their brains not at all.

- RaTTleR_NL
( August 11th, 2008 | 8:26 am )
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This is just ridiculous. It would be a sad day when congress or any other branch of government stepped in to condemn just about any speech. I am a Christian and if you take a good look at most comedies, no one is picked on more than Jesus. That is not a whining complaint that is quite simply a fact. Now, I don't like it, I don't find it funny at all but I will never EVER support a protest to keep people from saying what they want to say and poking fun at anyone. Too many men have bled and died to give us the right to say what we want in any manner we choose as long as it is peacful. People just need to lighten up. Believe what you believe and stick to it, but don't try to silence others for your 15 minutes, that is not what America is about. (If you want to watch someone who gets it just watch Dave Chappelle, he makes fun of EVERYONE, EVERYONE, including his own race which is how it should be and he is hilarious. Hey I am white and his white pixie is the funniest thing in the world, also check out Family Guy…nobody is immune on the greatest animated show ever).

- DarkKnightFAN12
( August 11th, 2008 | 10:01 am )
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First, thank you for writing such a thoughtful post on this matter. As I was scrolling through my Google reader this morning, I came across this post first, and then a few posts later came across one that was rudely dismissive of the various rights groups' concerns.

Now, regarding those concerns: have any of these groups actually seen the film? The NYT article isn't clear on that point; there have been multiple promotional screenings but apparently no one affiliated with these groups showed up to any of them, and only were perturbed after seeing the "Simple Jack" fake site. It really irritates me when people start a boycott over something they don't fully understand, especially something like a film where situations like the "Simple Jack" subplot and use of the word "retarded" have a much more complex context than, say, someone on TV putting their foot in their mouth. I haven't seen Tropic Thunder, but it seems like with both the "Simple Jack" plot, and Robert Downey Jr playing an African American, the implied context in the trailers/interviews is that we aren't supposed to necessarily sympathize with these characters' choices: we are supposed to recognize that they are complete idiots for thinking they can "get away" with any of this.

I'll admit, when I first saw the "Simple Jack" website, I wasn't completely comfortable with it, either. My younger brother is autistic, so I have a heightened sensitivity to the portrayal of those with intellectual disabilities. But instead of deciding that Tropic Thunder was the devil incarnate that needed to be banned (with a CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION?! Like Congress doesn't have more important things to deal with than a silly summer movie?!) I did some of my own research – I know, a novel concept to some people! I won't know until I see the movie myself whether any particular subplot is offensive or not, but from the reviews I've read, the positives of this movie look like they're heavily outweighing any potential negatives.

- moriath
( August 11th, 2008 | 12:08 pm )
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I actually didnt kno that they were going to poke fun at mentally dissabled people in this movie… its not going to change the way i think of this movie , its a movie, they are makeing fun of hollywood and thats why im still going to see it. It looks hilarious . Theres controversy over every movie nowadays, people have a reason to hate everything that comes out

- ranman14
( August 11th, 2008 | 1:44 pm )
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As long as you don't know what "retarded" actually means, and what it means to the people who are challenged, the word is derogatory. Mental retardation is a medical diagnosis, not just a term that has fallen by the politically correct wayside. The word that was assigned to people with cognitive disabilities by the medical profession decades ago because in the dictionary, retarded means “slow.” People with cognitive disabilities do learn and understand; it usually just takes a little longer than what is deemed “normal” by our perfection-obsessed society. With the alarming rise of Autism, one would think that people would be more sensitive.

So it is a big deal when a popular actor like Ben Stiller and a well-respected company like Viacom and Dreamworks use the R-word for a few laughs. By using this word their movie as a punchline, they are sending the message that it is okay to use that label in mainstream America. I am a fan of free speech, but I also think that it is the responsibility of major companies, to consider the social ramifications of their movies. By promoting this "R" word, they help make it into an everyday phrase, and common slang.

I strongly believe that it's an offensive term no matter which way you use it. Others may argue that it is a word that has become separated from its original meaning and therefore should offend no one. I think that line of thinking is wrong; because not only are they putting shame to themselves, but they're also putting shame on the person they’re calling the name. Especially when the person can not help being that way to begin with. People need to understand and be educated as what the word disabled means; What the terms "mentally challenged" or "physically challenged" means to those with those types of handicaps.

Words and labels are really not just words and labels. They harm people and lead people to act against each other. They result in individuals feeling devalued, humiliated, and degraded. Don Imus was fired from his job for racial slurs. The fact that society doesn’t feel that this is equal to if not more offensive, is just another example of how people with developmental disabilities are given little thought or respect.

It breaks my heart to see such ignorance in todays society towards people with all types of disabilities. Until you know first hand how this affects an entire family, can you understand how such words can deeply hurt those involved with that child. It is movies like this that show we are not growing as a society towards the acceptance and encouragement of people with these challenges.

As the very proud father of Luke, a beautiful eight year old boy with cognitive delays and difficulties, it pains me to hear people throw this word around so loosely. I know first hand how people with special needs teach us patience, understanding, compassion, and unconditional love. This film makes a mockery of all these God given gifts.

When is Hollywood going to understand that there are real people, who have intellectual disabilities, and it is in no way their fault?

They should not have to deal with having a term like 'retard' attached to them. It is a very demeaning and dehumanizing word. Don’t the individuals with disabilities have enough obstacles to contend with without being ridiculed and laughed at for something they cannot control? Why is it that in 2008 it is still okay to make fun and laugh at people that are differently abled?

- Hillsdale88
( August 11th, 2008 | 2:29 pm )
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I'm glad so many people are so dumbfounded by the anger over this (or RDJr's character for that matter.) I simply don't understand how it could be construed as mean or supporting use of the word or any PC regurgitation. Just because they say the word "retard" (how many times do they use it 3-4-5 times? In a movie what An hour and a half, two hours long?) doesn't mean they're saying "OK America, go find the nearest Downie and call 'em a retard!"

It's a story. If a movie is about the Nazi commanders behind "The Final Solution" should they not say "kyke" because Jews might be offended? How about Klansmen and the word "******"? They're supposed to be offended, you're not supposed to like some characters. How about a comedy where some thug refers to Jackie Chan as "chink" to make that CHARACTER look bigoted, is that wrong? No. IT'S A MOVIE! It tells a story and in that story that character has no problem using that word and it is in the fact that that character has no problem with it that we, the audience, see the problem with it.

People need to stop being so freakin sensitive about everything. And to think that Congress should put other things like, oh, I don't know an on going war, an economic slump, a gas crisis a potetial powder keg in Georgia, on hold because someone may be offended by the use of a single word in a movie is…well…it's retarded. Yeah, I said it. Live with it.

- NJDevil418
( August 11th, 2008 | 4:58 pm )
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And funnily enough, my rant was bleeped out. Those stars, in case you didn't know, was the n-word. The other example racial slurs apparently are okay.

- NJDevil418
( August 11th, 2008 | 4:59 pm )
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^
Ha…that's funny…what makes the n-word worse than all the others he stated?

Anyway, I think that these protests are doing exactly what the organizations wanted them to do. Until today, I and may others have never heard of some of these organizations, but unlike many others, I will not be some tool and jump in with them protesting about some stupid 5 minutes in a movie that isn't nearly as bad as some others. I really think that the only reason that these people protest this shit is to get noticed and to gain some publicity, and its pathetic. Many other movies/shows make fun of disabled people in a much worse way (South Park anyone??), yet we don't hear anyone complain then. I guess it must just be a coincidence that they wait until a big media movie comes out to bitch about it (to bad they picked one that doesn't actually make fun of the disabled). Yeah, they don't do it just to get in the papers, they are doing it cause Tropic Thunder is evil and hates the handicapped.

- nitro230
( August 11th, 2008 | 8:26 pm )
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I believe that no one should ever have to go through their life being called names because of the way they look or because of any disabilities or belief. But what I believe Tropic Thunder is trying to show is that these actors have no respect for those with mental handicaps. Acting as a mentally challenged individual is an easy way to get critical acclaim in Hollywood. Like Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man and Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump. We can also look at the actors who gain a lot of weight to portray overweight people or when a beautiful actress portrays an ugly person. The point is that Hollywood loves perfection. And when a "perfect looking" actor changes his/hers appearence or portrays a mentally handicapped person they get cred. That is messed up, and that is what Stiller & Co. is trying to show. Or to quote a scene from Extras:

Andy: I'm an actor as well. If there's a line going in this film, I'd love to be part of this also, because I'd just like to say you doing this is so commendable. You know, using your profile to keep the message alive about the Holocaust.
Kate Winslet: My God I'm not doing it for that. I mean, I don't think we need another film about the Holocaust, do we? It's like, how many have there been? No, we get it, it was grim, move on. No, I'm doing this because I've noticed that if you do a film about the Holocaust, guaranteed an Oscar. I've been nominated four times. Never won. The whole world is going, "why hasn't Winslet won one?"
Andy: Def—yeah.
Kate Winslet: That's it. That's why I'm doing it. Schindler's bloody List. The Pianist. Oscars coming out of their arse.

Or when she says the same about playing a mentally handicapped person and mentions films like Ryen's Daughter, Rain Man and My Left Foot.

This basically sums up what Stiller is trying to show in Tropic Thunder. This is the mentality Tugg Speedman and Kirk Lazuras has. Funny how Gervais and Winslet never got the same flogging as Stiller is getting now.

I am overweight. So should I be offended by every movie that makes fun of fat people? Should I boycott this movie becasue Jack Black's character is an obnoxious obese person who just farts all the time in the film-within-the-film? No. I see the humor. And being called a fat-ass can be just as hurtful as being called whatever else you can think off, but it is different when a guy says it to your face or when a character says it in a film. A character in a film that says "retard" or racial slurs is not a big deal. It's a character. In a movie.

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If a "nice guy" character goes around saying these words, then yes, the critics would be right. But there are a bunch of idiots saying these words in Tropic Thunder. And they are not being shown in a positive light.

- flerk
( August 11th, 2008 | 8:33 pm )
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I'm all for being nice and huggy feely when the circumstances warrant it, but where does it end? If we start scrubbing every single thing from society that could possibly offend anybody, where will we end up?

Ok, that is a harsh list, but this sort of thinking is a slippery slope. I'd rather see a few people get offended than all us us ending up speaking Newspeak.

- kettch
( August 12th, 2008 | 12:16 am )
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They are not making fun of anybody for being retarded in this movie. they are just using the movie "simple jack" as a reference to ben stillers characters career.i bet there is not a word in the whole movie about the special olympics.
shriver is just trying to derive more attention towards the special olympics since they have lost ratings and been less supported in the past years. he is just in it for the face, or in other words a "media bitch"

get your mind right shriver,
just cause your life sucks ball sack doesnt mean your have to ruin ours by trying to run off one of the funniest looking movies in a long fucking time.

and if you dont agree with what im saying,
you can suck the big one.

have a wonderful day : )

- theCAROLINAkid
( August 12th, 2008 | 8:20 am )
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So iv gathered some people think they shouldnt use the word "retard" at all? because useing it is wrong? well in my opinion if someone doesnt want to hear that word being said…then thats there feelings about it, I have a down down syndrome sister and personaly I have no problem with this movie whatsoever, as they are not directly calling someone a retard and they are not poking fun at people with disabilities, there just having a conversation with each other about a role ben stillers characters played in a movie and in my opinion the word "retard" is really the only one that fits to discrib his character in a funny way in this scene. On top of this I've also notived that the word "retard" is used in lots of movie each year as simple dialog and yet no one takes offence to it then? The "N" word is also used TONS in movies and I dont see people trying to boycot those films.

- JD92
( August 12th, 2008 | 2:44 pm )
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The more I read about this and the more I think about it the more I am disturbed by all of it. This is such nonsense. Seriously, congress labeling this as hate speech????? Not only would that be a waste of time it would set a dangerous precedent. People need to understand that we have the right to say whatever we want, no matter how offensive. Is there a line? Yes. There are some things that should not be allowed to be spoken, if you say things like I wish the president would die, or Im going to blow up this plane, or something of a dangerous and threatening nature you should be arrested and jailed. However, when it comes to opinions and making fun of something or someone for WHATEVER reason, no one in any position should be allowed to tell you that you can not say it. I go back again to my stance as a Christian. Sure I don't like when someone says the Lord's name in vain but geuss what, there isn't a thing I can do about it. I can ask politely for them to tone it down a bit, but if they choose not to then that is there perogative. I believe what I believe and that will not change, I am NOT open minded and I do believe that I am right but I believe in freedom just as much. The constitution of my government not to mention the own words of my God (which coincide with each other very much) tell me that people have the right to act and think however they want. I have the right to say that homosexuality is wrong just like you have the right to say that it is perfectly natural. Neither opinion should be condemned. I am not trying to preach just using the example that I know best. We live in a free nation, bought and paid for by the blood of the greatest troops in the history of the world. Shame on the government that tries to trample that by telling me what I can and can not say.

- DarkKnightFAN12
( August 12th, 2008 | 3:05 pm )
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Yes, I saw the movie before joining the protest as did many advocates and people who have been called the "r" word all of their life. Not one person I know who has a disability, a friend, or a family member with a disabilty thought the movie was funny; all agree to boycott the movie.

Many think we have no sense of humor or simply do not understand the movie. If you agree, perhaps what you seem to fail to understand is that the slang phrases in the movie such as "never go full retard," are likely to far outlive what I hope is the very short run of this movie. If anyone believes that this phrase should not be seen as harmful because of the movie context – please understand that when phrases such as this are repeated in our communities – they will be percieved as nothing short of hate speech by the people with disabilities who once again have to endure ridicule and shame at the expense of what others think is funny.

- dsmbrownpants
( August 14th, 2008 | 1:10 pm )
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I came back from being out of town, and was going to continue with a few more reasonable points on this topic. However, I realized that the people who are making all of this noise don't care about reason. They don't care about right or wrong. They don't care about civil rights. They don't care about hate speech.

The only thing these people are concerned about is their 15 minutes of fame, and doing something that makes them feel all warm and gooey inside. All of these groups only care about the small circle of awareness surrounding them, and all the other groups can go to hell.

I guess it just came to a head for me a few days ago. I was walking into a fast food place and held the door open for this cripple…errr…disabled person…actually legs or no legs, he was just a plain old asshole. It's the standard thing I always do if there is somebody following me into a place within 10 or 15 feet. It makes no difference who they are, gender, race, whatever. He angrily waved me off and told me he didn't need my help. This is happening to me more and more, but I haven't learned my lesson yet. Everybody is just looking for an excuse to be offended and they don't care to know what the underlying reasons are, because they've already prejudged me with an evil motive.

Dammit, there I go being reasonable again. :D

- kettch
( August 16th, 2008 | 4:49 pm )
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Oh lord, I swear, I am SO sick of all the political correctness garbage! We've gotten to the point where we can't say anything without someone whining and crying about it. How absurd is this:

"David C. Tolleson, executive director of the Down syndrome group who saw the movie, told the New York Times he "came out [of the screening] feeling like I [he] been assaulted."

What a WIMP! Give me a BREAK! My wife's brother is mentally handicapped and NO one in our family gets in a tither when we hear the word "retarded". This used to be the socially accepted word. When I went to school the teachers called someone who was mentally handicapped "Mentally Retarded". It meant that their mental development had been retarded, damaged. What in the world is wrong with that? The wing in our school that was for "special" kids even had a sign up that said, "Wing For the Mentally Retarded". MILLIONS of people grew up taught that the word "Mentally Retarded" was the correct and decent thing to say. Times change and now it's not ok to say that, just like it is no longer ok to use the word "Negro" as it once was. However, "Negro" is not the same as "******", which has *always* been a derogatory term, and no one pretends that they are the same. So, comparing "retard" to "******" is just wrong. They are not the same.

I completely reject the terms "differently abled", that is complete nonsense. These kids are not "differently abled", they are handicapped. I don't mind "mentally challenged", but "differently abled" is just absurd. Why is it that we cannot be honest in this country? Every child is "special", but then they grow up to find that they are ordinary and it devastates them. When I go to the eye doctor and he tells me I've got bad vision, I don't get offended and ask him to say that I am "differently visioned"! That is stupid. People in a wheelchair are called "physically handicapped", so what is wrong with "mentally handicapped"? It is accurate and in NO way unkind or derogatory. A person who has a mental disability is mentally handicapped.

We have to draw the line on this crap, enough is enough. Making people say, "differently abled" isn't going to make a mentally handicapped child normal, or somehow normal with different abilities. It's time in this country that we call a spade a spade and quit making up new terms so we can blow smoke up people's butts.

In my opinion, it is best to be honest and straightforward with people, and not go around lying to them about how things are. If a person is physically handicapped, are they helped by us telling them that they are differently physically abled? No. If I was in a wheelchair and someone said that to me, I punch them.

I am a recovering addict, because I got addicted to pain killers after a terrible accident that left me in a wheelchair for seven months. When I talk about myself, or others talk about me, they say I am a recovering addict, not that I'm differently chemically abled. I'm an addict, pure and simple and I don't need anyone to pretty that up for me. When I was in the wheelchair, for a while, the doctors weren't sure if I would walk again. My friends called me "crip" and "handi-man" and I laughed. Humor is a powerful thing, a necessary thing, we need to be able to laugh at ourselves. It helps us deal with all the pain. This nonsense today that we can't say this or that for the sake of comedy is total crap.

In the movie, Stillers character is OBVIOUSLY a moron. He doesn't use the word "retard" out of malice, he uses it because he doesn't know any better. In fact, using the word actually gives us more insight into his character, that he lacks MAJOR social skills. We know it's inappropriate, and that is what makes it funny. No one is going to watch this film and suddenly think it is ok to use that word. That is absurd.

Grow up, people. David C. Tolleson, no one in this world actually believes that you came out of the theater feeling like you'd been "assaulted". All that nonsense is, is a bunch of politically correct posturing. Total garbage, feigning this great offense that felt as if you had been mugged. Grow UP! I fear that we are on a collision course where people in this country will no longer feel free to speak their mind, and our freedom of speech is going to be ripped apart. One day we will be like the citizens of the naked emperor, parading down the street in his new clothes, except there won't be anyone there to yell out that he is nude.

- dallasdeckard
( August 27th, 2008 | 8:56 am )
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Protest with a full retard shirt, http://www.fullretard.com

- boomhauer
( September 1st, 2008 | 2:46 am )
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boomhauer said: Protest with a full retard shirt, [url]www.fullretard.com[/url]

How is that protesting? That is just antagonizing and degrading.

- bradbrevet
( September 1st, 2008 | 6:58 am )
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"No. If I was in a wheelchair and someone said that to me, I punch them."

::laughs::

How are you going to get up from your wheelchair? Maybe you can find another way aside standing to be able to get up and hit them. Hmm… you'd be differently abled.

- Johnny Bravo
( January 5th, 2009 | 3:48 pm )
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